Help me spray on a budget!

  1. hooblah Member

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    I'm looking to spray a vehicle or two on the cheap. I'm looking for products that are the cheapest available, but of reasonable quality.

    I have a suitable compressor, air line and a gun. Oh and a face mask. just need the rest to get up and running:

    Water separator
    Gun pressure gauge
    Paint
    Filters
    Thinners
    Mixing cups
    Wax and grease remover (do I need this or can I use something I already have?)
    Gun wash
    Anything else you can think to add to the list.

    Is it ok to get everything off ebay for the lowest price? Are there things I should avoid? Are there things I should not skimp on?

    Thanks for the help!
     
  2. RonA

    RonA specialist in repairing sealed for life equipment

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    I’m by far no expert(I have sprayed a couple of cars & minor repairs) & I have most of the gear you describe but your gear (& mine) is geared to spray celloulose paints. Whilst celloulose paint is I believe still technically available, its becoming harder to source.
    The world has moved on & more modern paints are effectively like epoxy resins with a paint & hardener albeit highly toxic requiring full respitatory protection with a compressor delivering clean oil free air.
    The alternative is water based paints but as I have mo experience of these perhaps somebody else could chip in. They may be less demanding safety wise.
    RonA
     
  3. steveo3002 Member

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    waterbased is typically just the basecoat so still onvolves using 2k clear

    i tend to find ebay is pretty good unless you happen to live near a decent factors , sometimes autojumbes might be a quid cheaper but then you pay to get in

    missed tack cloths off the list...and dont skimp with cheap tape , 3m is good
     
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  4. postie jon Member

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    what are you specifically painting and what type of finish are you after ,if its a quick flashover and not worth much try synthetic enamel coach finish ideal for vans and low value vehicles.
     
  5. hooblah Member

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    I'm intending to paint a transit. It needs a quick blowover, nothing special.
     
  6. graffian

    graffian Seer unto the end of his beard

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    Wash it and flat it with a wet scotch brite.
    When it's really dry mask it.
    Clean it with transport thinners or panel wipe.
    Spray it with a few coats of a synthetic paint.
     
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  7. steveo3002 Member

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    ^ yeah...red scotch pad with hot soap water , sand paper any scratches etc

    rustoleum combi sprays okay...if you want a cheap tart up
     
  8. ukracer Forum Supporter

    I am no way an expert but 90% of painting is prep work. So take your time.

    I did like the comment about the world "moving on" and now requiring full respiraratory equipment to put some paint on metal...lol
     
  9. ukracer Forum Supporter

    Ignore my comment then ;)
     
  10. RonA

    RonA specialist in repairing sealed for life equipment

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    Presume you're penning your reply from the COPD ward.
    RonA
     
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  11. RonA

    RonA specialist in repairing sealed for life equipment

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  12. hooblah Member

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    Thanks for the responses. I've done a few body repairs so should I be primering it first or is it safe to go straight to metal/body filler?

    How many litres of paint would I need for a transit?

    The cheapest cellulose I found is this:
    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/172918095013

    It says to mix with anti bloom thinners. What is bloom? What's the difference between that and standard thinners? Will it make much difference if I just use standard thinners?

    Other than that, there's rustoleum. They do a 2.5l tin of PU floor paint for £23.19, which is slightly cheaper than combicolor. Would that be suitable? I know they paint cars in polyurethane...
    Rustoleum probably works out cheaper if I need more than 2 litres of paint.

    Thanks for the h+s advice, though I'm not doing 2k so won't be needing an air fed mask. I'll be painting outside, albeit in a tent.
     
  13. steveo3002 Member

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    bloom is when paint goes cloudy /dull in cold damp conditions

    never tried the floor paint..combi works ok

    as for repairs, how good do you want it , a smoothish repair can be painted over with a dusting of etch primer , or if you want it nicer then etch and high build primer , then block sand until its nice

    id want 4-5 ltrs of ready to go paint for 2-3 coats ..depends what colour , good coverage maybe less
     
  14. 8ob

    8ob Forum Supporter

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    @graffian `s suggestion of using synthetic is your best bet. It stays wet just long enough to get around the whole vehicle without coming to a dust line, it will also polish with a leccy mop and water to get rid of any imperfections. We use it on the trucks and plant but I would not cheap out on it, go for a decent brand and you will use a lot less of it. The cheap gear seems to be lacking in pigment and gives poor coverage.

    Bob
     
  15. bert Member

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    I'm in the process of painting a Mini after fixing some rust. After filling and sanding The car got a coat of etch, then 4 coats of primer. This then got blocked so it was smooth. If any metal showed it would have got another coat of primer. It then got 3 coats of black base coat then 3 coats of colour. Then final 3 coats of clear.

    All done with a very old cheap spray gun but in a propper booth and baked.

    Make sure your paint, hardener and thinners are all from the same manufacturer. I use mipa and deltron at work and don't mix them.
     
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  16. Burdekin

    Burdekin Chief Bodger

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  17. hooblah Member

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    Thanks. It's probably worth going for rustoleum combicolor in that case. Do I mix it 1:1 with thinner?

    I won't be going to extreme lengths with flatting primer. I want to knock it out as quick as possible with a reasonable finish.

    But if I'm going with rustoleum, will it be quicker and cheaper to just roller it?
     
  18. steveo3002 Member

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    i wouldnt roller if you have the facilitys to spray

    combi is typicly 10-20% white sprit

    the synthetic suggestion isnt bad...prob the cheapest way to paint something if youre not too fussy
     
  19. hooblah Member

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  20. 8ob

    8ob Forum Supporter

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    Probably OK with white on white, I would add paper overalls with a hood to your list and unless spraying inside in the warm use this thinners https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Car-Comm...h=item5ad2978b04:g:M24AAOSwo4pYIdFZ:rk:1:pf:0

    Bob
     
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