fitted a new clutch - judders really bad

[carbonarc]

i had someone look up the parts diagram , these dont have a bearing there

The pilot bearing is not part of the clutch mechanism or flywheel. It is located in the end of the engine crankshaft and ensures the crankshaft and first motion gearbox shaft have the same axis of rotation.

 

[steveo3002]

The pilot bearing is not part of the clutch mechanism or flywheel. It is located in the end of the engine crankshaft and ensures the crankshaft and first motion gearbox shaft have the same axis of rotation.

im told there isnt one on these , only the auto has one

 

[Other Daniel]

im told there isnt one on these , only the auto has one

I would be mightily surprised if there were no spigot bearing or bush.

 

[steveo3002]

number 13 yes? auto only

 

[Other Daniel]

Let's see the exploded schematic for the manual box.

 

[steveo3002]

https://volkswagen.7zap.com/en/rdw/golf/go/1991-110/3/311-85050/

 

[qwakers]

there is no reason at all for a auto box to have a pilot bearing, there is only a flex plate and torque converter, and the flat face of the converter gets bolted to the flex plate. part 13 absolutely is for the manual, and nowhere in that fiche does it say auto only. in fact that diagram shows a flywheel not a flex plate, so by definition it is for a manual.

https://volkswagen.7zap.com/en/rdw/golf/go/1991-110/1/105-5050/#13

 

[Ubique]

Have a look at the engine crank schematics, there are roller bearings and bushes shown for some engines. https://volkswagen.7zap.com/en/rdw/golf/go/1991-110/1/105-5050/ item 13 https://volkswagen.7zap.com/en/rdw/golf/go/1991-110/1/105-6000/ item 19
They're not shown as part of the transmission because they're fitted to the engine.

ETA - beaten to it!

 

[Ubique]

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number 13 yes? auto only

The irony is the schematic shows a flywheel not a flexplate & ring gear!
I'm done with this now.

 

[steveo3002]

youre linking to the wrong engine , mines a PG

i dont know one way or another , but thanks anyway

 

[m_c]

Could quite easily not have a spigot bearing.

Did the end of the gearbox shaft have a plain section for a bearing/bush to run on, or did it simply stop at the splines?

 

[steveo3002]

random internet pic

 

[jsf55]

Manuals normally have a spigot bearing to support the input shaft, auto usually have this omitted and the torque converter uses it as a location for centring .... i know nothing about VWs tho !

 

[steveo3002]

cv joints off for new boots and grease

 

[steveo3002]

What about the prop shaft (between gbox and rear diff)

its 2wd

 

[Other Daniel]

Could quite easily not have a spigot bearing.

Did the end of the gearbox shaft have a plain section for a bearing/bush to run on, or did it simply stop at the splines?

I would certainly bow to your knowledge, which I know is far more up to date than mine.

 

[m_c]

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random internet pic

Yeah, that's a spigotless setup.
I can't think of the last time I seen a FWD vehicle with a spigot bearing/bush.

The last person I know who had bad juddering with a new clutch, was a mate who fitted a cheap kit as he was selling the vehicle. He had to redo it with a decent quality kit before he sold it as the juddering was that bad!

You did fit a decent brand (LuK, Sachs, Borg & Beck, VW) from a reputable source?

 

[bricol]

Manuals normally have a spigot bearing to support the input shaft, auto usually have this omitted and the torque converter uses it as a location for centring .... i know nothing about VWs tho !

Not all - had to fit one to the Rover engine I fitted in a RWD application - at least my crank had the hole for it - some don't.

 

[steveo3002]

Yeah, that's a spigotless setup.
I can't think of the last time I seen a FWD vehicle with a spigot bearing/bush.

The last person I know who had bad juddering with a new clutch, was a mate who fitted a cheap kit as he was selling the vehicle. He had to redo it with a decent quality kit before he sold it as the juddering was that bad!

You did fit a decent brand (LuK, Sachs, Borg & Beck, VW) from a reputable source?

thank you...after a page of someone trying to make a fool of me

yes sachs , sealed box from decent source

 

[Other Daniel]

thank you...after a page of someone trying to make a fool of me

yes sachs , sealed box from decent source

If you are referring to my posts, then I sincerely apologise.
I most certainly wasn't trying to ridicule you, but was trying to be helpful.
What this thread has highlighted is just how out of touch I've become.
The last clutch I fitted must be at least 30 years ago, and that would have
been on an HGV.
Things move on, and in some respects, we don't. So, really sorry if my
posts came across wrong.