A question for the drillbitists

[Trevorleach]

I would of but the little hit went awol and the second set of dics were on back order so I couldnt smash the last two off the hubs in case the new ones never showed up.

Anyway, a big thank you to all the drillbitists for all the advice, I will never cheap out on drill bits ever again I bought some cobalt drills from my local nutnboltist and with the aide of a jig managed to drill them all out. They are a tad brittle and I did snap a few off but did get there in the end, took about an hour per hub.

Just need to find a big lump of round to make a pressing tool to push in the reluctor rings.

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There is a proper tool, but I have always used a copper hammer, to tap the inner edge of the pulse ring round and round until the tone changes when its fully seated.
The proper tool is a machined round disc of nylon that you locate into the centre of the pulse ring and smack with a large hammer.

 

[8ob]

There is a proper tool, but I have always used a copper hammer, to tap the inner edge of the pulse ring round and round until the tone changes when its fully seated.
The proper tool is a machined round disc of nylon that you locate into the centre of the pulse ring and smack with a large hammer.

I have found a bit of ali thats about 15mm thick, I will spin something up on the lathe and press them in. The old reluctor ring had been rubbing on the sensor, I would imagine thats a result of the old one being badly smashed home and buckeled with a hammer.

Bob

 

[m_c]

I've installed a few of those with a lump of wood, when we've not had the correct tool.

While you've got the disc off, check the ABS sensor still slides in it's hole.
You should be able to push it with moderate pressure. If it doesn't move, I'd consider hammering it out, cleaning the hole, and fitting new ones while the hub is off.
There's nothing worse to find the air gap is too large/too small after re-fitting the hub, and you then have to either remove the hub again, or faff about trying to extract the ABS sensor from the back and clean the hole out.

 

[Moose McAlpine]

Could always use that drilling jig plate and stick it in the press if you're that worried.

I've always fitted ABS rings and the like with a nylon hammer.

 

[mtt.tr]

Saw a job for HGV mechanics the other day, 47k + OT.

It's tempting.

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[Trevorleach]

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Come on surely you are not taking a pay ut!

 

[Trevorleach]

I have found a bit of ali thats about 15mm thick, I will spin something up on the lathe and press them in. The old reluctor ring had been rubbing on the sensor, I would imagine thats a result of the old one being badly smashed home and buckeled with a hammer.

Bob

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You have to tap it home gingerly
I have literally done hundreds of them
Once the hub nut is torqued up I always spin the hub and see how much run out is between the pulse ring and the sensor normally spot on occasionally .5 mm wibble wobble but that is well within tolerance
We always fit a new sensor and sensor cage doing rear discs as 99 times out of 100 it is seized solid in the axle
Front sensors normally move so can go again

 

[premmington]

Saw a job for HGV mechanics the other day, 47k + OT.

It's tempting.

Truck fitters are in demand at the moment.

Every lorry yard near us - have signs outside advertising for vacancies.

£47k - that will be nights I would think? - bet we are talking Mon to Thurs - 4x 10hr nights

 

[mtt.tr]

Truck fitters are in demand at the moment.

Every lorry yard near us - have signs outside advertising for vacancies.

£47k - that will be nights I would think? - bet we are talking Mon to Thurs - 4x 10hr nights

Almost certainly, I think most mechanics are underpaid but my recent experience suggests that they do the same job 3 times before fixing it.
Understaffed and underskilled

 

[8ob]

Almost certainly, I think most mechanics are underpaid but my recent experience suggests that they do the same job 3 times before fixing it.
Understaffed and underskilled

A decent mobile truck/plant fitter with a van heaving with kit does well if he knows his stuff,I pay about £90 an hour plus parts for the guy that signs off our PMI`s.

Bob

 

[mtt.tr]

A decent mobile truck/plant fitter with a van heaving with kit does well if he knows his stuff,I pay about £90 an hour plus parts for the guy that signs off our PMI`s.

Bob

I'm talking generic mechanics but I think pay is low as quality is low, someone who's good is worth that all day long.

 

[8ob]

I'm talking generic mechanics but I think pay is low as quality is low, someone who's good is worth that all day long.

Thats because most of them are only fitters as opposed to mechanical engineers.

Bob

 

[mtt.tr]

Thats because most of them are only fitters as opposed to mechanical engineers.

Bob

We are on the same point, I'm just being diplomatic due to current situation but suffice to say I'm ****** of over the state of most trades.

When someone can diagnose something first time in quick time and knows how install said parts is paid the same as the person who turns up multiple times keeps changing the wrong parts and isn't interested to learn. Problem is the latter out numbers the former.

 

[m_c]

Almost certainly, I think most mechanics are underpaid but my recent experience suggests that they do the same job 3 times before fixing it.
Understaffed and underskilled

Have you been at my work?

I would laugh, but with the last guys my work employed, that's pretty accurate.

 

[Moose McAlpine]

Have you been at my work?

I would laugh, but with the last guys my work employed, that's pretty accurate.

I think it's like that everywhere.

I've worked with guys who claimed to be master techs at dealers, but can't diagnose anything, can't use multimeters, can't read wiring diagrams. Lots of these guys only used to working on one brand, can't figure out how to work on anything else.

The trade is actually full of idiots.

 

[premmington]

I think it's like that everywhere.

I've worked with guys who claimed to be master techs at dealers, but can't diagnose anything, can't use multimeters, can't read wiring diagrams. Lots of these guys only used to working on one brand, can't figure out how to work on anything else.

The trade is actually full of idiots.

I would agree with the statement in bold writting 100%.

The big trade is full of "techs" who really only have product training on one make.

The little trade is full of people who have little or no training at all.

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You can open a independant garage up in this country - just by putting a sign over the door and becoming a "professional". I kid you not!

The "professional bodies" that try and "regulate"the trade are really only money making - IMI.

Apprentice training level 1 to 3 - is worthless in the real world! The new level 4 training - I have jet to see what that has to offer (very little I would guess).

Yeah the motor repair trade is a mess...

 

[Melvyn Best]

Gas fitters and electricians have to have a recognised qualification so why not the motor trade?

 

[hotponyshoes]

Gas fitters and electricians have to have a recognised qualification so why not the motor trade?

Presumably because that would prevent anybody changing their own brake pads on the driveway at a weekend?

I think it needs to be passed in law that only members of a recognised/protected profession may carry out certain activities and then a governing body needs to oversee the registrations etc.

A dealership could set its own requirements for staff but there is nothing to stop me putting up a sign on the workshop and offering motor repairs tomorrow.

Maybe the statistics just don't show much risk to public safety caused by diyers and 'unqualified' mechanics working on cars?

 

[sako243]

Presumably because that would prevent anybody changing their own brake pads on the driveway at a weekend

Having seen a so called expert main dealer's attempt at changing brake pads I'll stick with doing my own.

Colleague in my old office had a phone call from the main dealer who was doing an MOT on his car. We actually got to watch as they had a video camera we could see the problem with. Basically all front brakes were missing the clips that retained the pins in the pads. Of those pins only one of four was still present so pads were not being held in.

He commented the pads were brand new so obviously hadn't done many miles (my mate said well we've done 8 miles since the service which did the pads). Tester asked for the garage name because he felt he should report them for negligence / bad job.

Wasn't very impressed when my mate responded "uh it was you" and proceeded to go beet red. The 8 miles had been from the dealer back home and then a month later back to the same place for the MOT. They walked / cycled to work so only used the car for longer trips to see family.

 

[PhillipM]

I've seen more **** jobs done on cars by dealers with trained staff churning it out to minimum cost and labour than I ever have from people doing their own work.

Are the same people going to demand we have licenses and training for welding at home, grinding at home, using a drill, painting?

Do I have to do a culinary course for 6 months before I'm allowed to use a pan at home?