Dog poison antifreeze

[wristpin]

Dreadful.
There have been well reported cases of urban cat haters leaving anti- freeze bait out to kill neighbourhood moggies. Difficult to believe that similar products don’t have to be marked as poisonous.

 

[Barking Mat]

My biggest issue is my age. Getting another dog is easy when your 30 or so.... on the rebound. But at 73 he was going to see me out. I reckoned on being 81 when he shuffled off (if he was first). So total f'up. Getting pacemaker soon so I'll live forever . But no Benji.

Adopt one, from the dog shelter ? No need to deal with a puppy.

Just a thought, lots of dogs needing homes.

 

[ajlelectronics]

Adopt one, from the dog shelter ? No need to deal with a puppy.

Just a thought, lots of dogs needing homes.

Nice thought, but probably very raw at the moment.

 

[Barking Mat]

Nice thought, but probably very raw at the moment.

Yep, aplologies, it will take some time, but once you've got / had dogs they do become integral, I find.

 

[Bullet2012]

Oh wow, what an awful thing to hear, please accept my condolences on your loss.

I have now moved our bottle of screen wash from the porch into the cupboard in the garage, hopefully your tragic loss will save a few others.

 

[voipio]

Sorry to hear of your loss.

How much screenwash do you reckon the dog drank?

 

[prepman]

Sorry to hear of your loss.

How much screenwash do you reckon the dog drank?

It would have to be 25 teaspoons (50lb dog) which is about half a small wine glass for ethylene glycol. Which is probably 2 slurps? For Methanol

 

[prepman]

Adopt one, from the dog shelter ? No need to deal with a puppy.

Just a thought, lots of dogs needing homes.

Have to be careful with that. Need to know what demons they're fighting. Daughter got a dog with hip issues not divulged by rehoming centre (dog's trust or such) confidential information?
(Only ripped three babies heads off but can't tell new owners that?)

 

[not done it yet]

All antifreeze is poisonous as far as I know I've heard of people lacing tuna or steak and throwing it over a fence to get rid of a dog or cat, nasty stuff

Antifreeze likely (as in ‘usually’) contains ethylene glycol which is decidedly poisonous (and sweet tasting).

People have been poisoned by people ‘sweetening‘ wine.

Ethylene glycol should not be in screenwadh - it attacks paint-work - so it is likely methanol that was the poisonous content. Methylated sprits is ethanol denatured with methanol - causing blindness (and death) of down-and-out alcoholics. It affects the liver as well, I believe.

Methanol based antifreeze is not common these days. It was until about 40-50 years ago (but evaporated quite quickly when in use).

The outcome, if it was the suspect screen-wash, is reprehensible. I expect it is likely not the only identical product on the market.

I don’t use screen wash if I can avoid it. I use some ethanol - it doesn’t generally need much in the UK.

 

[prepman]

Antifreeze likely (as in ‘usually’) contains ethylene glycol which is decidedly poisonous (and sweet tasting).

People have been poisoned by people ‘sweetening‘ wine.

Ethylene glycol should not be in screenwadh - it attacks paint-work - so it is likely methanol that was the poisonous content. Methylated sprits is ethanol denatured with methanol - causing blindness (and death) of down-and-out alcoholics. It affects the liver as well, I believe.

Methanol based antifreeze is not common these days. It was until about 40-50 years ago (but evaporated quite quickly when in use).

The outcome, if it was the suspect screen-wash, is reprehensible. I expect it is likely not the only identical product on the market.

I don’t use screen wash if I can avoid it. I use some ethanol - it doesn’t generally need much in the UK.

Getting it lab analysed might be the answer. But it seems from the datasheet early that's methanol.....who knows The coincidences are just too coincidental?

 

[Cobbler]

My biggest issue is my age. Getting another dog is easy when your 30 or so.... on the rebound. But at 73 he was going to see me out. I reckoned on being 81 when he shuffled off (if he was first). So total f'up. Getting pacemaker soon so I'll live forever . But no Benji.

Get a part worn one, that’s what we did for my mother. We went to the shelter & got one that the owner had died, I think they were glad to get rid of the dog as it was about 6 or 7 years old & people that wanted an older dog were limited, but it suited mother as she was about 80 at the time. I know it’s no substitute though, but will help. Really sorry for your loss.

 

[stuvy]

We always had cars and my dad taught me this as a kid

When filling up the screen wash or antifreeze I’d always get a watering car from the water but

When youv finished always pour the water over and dilute anything that may have been spilt

 

[voipio]

The MSDS for Asda screenwash indicates that it contains 5-10% ethanol, 1-5% isopropyl alcohol, 0.5% methanol and 0.1% butyl glycol. The balance, around 90%, will be water. There's no mention of ethylene glycol, or propylene glycol, at all. The antifreeze effect will be provided largely by the ethanol.

The poor dog would have had to have imbibed an awful lot of the screenwash to have achieved acutely toxic levels of the alcohols.

 

[dobbslc]

I spilt some antifreeze this morning while topping up the car, I washed it down with a bucket of water, I've just told my boys this story so they've hopefully learnt something from this. Sorry about your dog Prepman
Kram jeez WTF

 

[premmington]

The MSDS for Asda screenwash indicates that it contains 5-10% ethanol, 1-5% isopropyl alcohol, 0.5% methanol and 0.1% butyl glycol. The balance, around 90%, will be water. There's no mention of ethylene glycol, or propylene glycol, at all. The antifreeze effect will be provided largely by the ethanol.

The poor dog would have had to have imbibed an awful lot of the screenwash to have achieved acutely toxic levels of the alcohols.

I doubt the screen wash had ethylene glycol in it...

Ethylene Glycol Antifreeze BAD....
Ethylene Glycol is a poison, 30ml can be fatal for an adult, 4-5ml can kill a dog and 1-2ml can kill a cat. It is sweet tasting, an Asian woman in the UK, has been procectuted for killing her husband by adding it to his curry!
0.5-1.0% in engine oil can cause failure to engine bearings. Automatic gearboxes fail when shared coolant radiators fail, allowing minor contamination of transmission fluids. Mercedes and VW dealerships are issued with test kits to find Ethylene Glycol in oils, to fight warranty claims. It also damages some of the new types of waterbased paintwork systems.
It stops water in engines freezing, it raises the boiling point of coolant and contains inhibiters to stop internal corrosion of engines.
It is classed as hazardous waste.

Propylene Glycol Antifreeze GOOD....
Propylene Glycol has one extra carbon atom in its chemical structure, but it has a very lower toxicity level. So low it is used in food, pharmaceuticals and cosmetics.
It freezes at the same temperature as the toxic alternative. It does not damage engine, gearbox bearings or waterbased paintwork.
It also stops water in engines freezing, it raises the boiling point of coolant and contains inhibiters to stop internal corrosion of engines.


The effects of poisoning Ethylene Glycol take 12-36 hours. Symptoms of Ethylene Glycol poisoning are in this order, central nervous system failure, changes in metabolic processes and kidney failure. The central nervous system is affected early in the course of poisoning and the affected indervidual may look drunk & intoxicated. One antidote for Ethylene Glycol poisoning is Ethanol (Ethyl Alcohol). Ethanol is a competitive inhibitor of ADH. Ethanol acts by competing with Ethylene Glycol for alcohol dehydrogenase. Doctors normally precribe pharmaceutical grade Ethanol by injection as a 5-10% solution with 5% dextrose in water, but it can be given orally in the form of a strong spirit such as whisky, vodka or gin. Alcohol dehydrogenase has about a 100 times greater affinity for Ethanol than for Ethylene Glycol; Ethanol therapy saturates the enzyme, inhibiting further ethylene glycol metabolism thus limiting the formation of toxic metabolites. The other method of treatment is Haemodialysis but you are going to need a specialist hospital for this.

Sorry about the loss of the dog!

 

[Blue Chips]

My biggest issue is my age. Getting another dog is easy when your 30 or so.... on the rebound. But at 73 he was going to see me out. I reckoned on being 81 when he shuffled off (if he was first). So total f'up. Getting pacemaker soon so I'll live forever . But no Benji.

I'm almost caught up with you age-wise, @prepman, and I know your feelings exactly. When our last dog passed away, it was like losing a member of the family, and we're still divided as to whether we want to get another one or not. In the meantime, we've donated what we can to several animal welfare organizations, which in a way is kinda/sorta like vicariously having pets. We still may end up getting another dog, or a pair of them, but we would want to fence our yard first, not just to keep the dogs in (when they're not in the house or being walked), but also to keep unwanted critters out of the yard and away from the dog(s), as we live in a forested area with tons of wildlife, ranging from chipmunks all the way up to bears and moose.

 

[Ross365]

With World prices of petrochemicals at an all time high, you'd have to wonder if they have been using some chemicals which don't appear on the MSDS and may be more toxic than those that are listed. I think that pure or concentrated ethylene glycol is bad on paint, but much less so when mixed with other chemicals, especially water, and that is a chemical that is very harmful to cats and dogs

Deeply sorry for the loss of your pet.

 

[ajlelectronics]

It also damages some of the new types of waterbased paintwork systems.

How? The basecoat is the only water based component and it is then fully encapsulated with solvent lacquer like COB always has. Therefore it can't be affected unless there is no lacquer there due to pre-existing damage.

 

[AVI_8]

In my opinion, get another dog, I don’t mean straight away, you’re going through sad times, but eventually, possibly ask vets around your local area, sometimes people need to have dogs re-housed …. Not because there’s anything wrong with the dog, but sometimes because of their personal circumstance, my parents got a dog through their vet this way, and it didn’t cost any money.
Take some time to have some reflection, then get yourself another dog, from what you’ve said I think it will be of very much benefit to you.

 

[prepman]

The MSDS for Asda screenwash indicates that it contains 5-10% ethanol, 1-5% isopropyl alcohol, 0.5% methanol and 0.1% butyl glycol. The balance, around 90%, will be water. There's no mention of ethylene glycol, or propylene glycol, at all. The antifreeze effect will be provided largely by the ethanol.

The poor dog would have had to have imbibed an awful lot of the screenwash to have achieved acutely toxic levels of the alcohols.

This was the concentrate version not the ready to use.