Femoral artery or family jewels?

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

Wait until about 3am this morning when the forum member who knows every one and done everything.
That will give him time to scan google, copy and paste a reply and claim to be an expert.

 

[mtt.tr]

Unless of course you're on a forecourt, surrounded by flammable liquids/gasses and other people. I can assure you that were I filling my van and someone started that nonsense at the pump they'd be running a far greater risk than they realised.

Haha, oh you sound well 'ard

 

[mtt.tr]

Nonsense and more nonsense.


Wouldn't this be easier settled by simply looking at the hazard and the risk


I haven't read of a motorcyclist catching alight on his or her motorcycle.
On the other hand i have read about plenty of deaths from riding.

 

[Miranda]

I belong to the WellaRD Yamaha RD group.

 

[mtt.tr]

Which is perfectly fine when you are on your own, with your own bike, with your own can, on your land . . .

But on a petrol forecourt, where I have worked and had the misfortune to deal with thousands of member of the public, you are not. Surrounded by other customers, equipment that isn't yours, over tanks holding hundreds of thousands of litres of fuel, with staff having to follow the conditions of the license to dispense, their own company guidelines . . .

So for you, it might be a low risk of you going up - but multiple all the selfish yous for who the rules and regulations of petrol dispensing doesn't apply, by the number of similarly sillily behaving clowns who call into a petrol station every day, and the risk to the poor sod behind the counter over the year is rather a lot higher than it is for you individually.

They would have to watch you going up in the flames, shut the place down, grab the extinguisher and come out to put what is left of you out, ensure the rest of the staff, customers are safe, then spend hours with the emergency services, their managers, explaining, filling in forms, trying to not get too upset about having to deal with someone with serious burns, in pain, or worse, dead.

There are documented cases of bikes going up, cars going up, clowns with cigarettes dropping them on the floor to stub them out (guess where the fuel vapours are?), cases of mobile phones igniting fuel vapours (that might be less with modern phones admittedly), clowns with cars that are on-fire turning up etc etc.

It is not nice dealing with all that - but you carry on with your selfish filling up of another 10p of fuel as it won't happen . . . and when it does, you will off course be able to leap vertically up off the bike, release the pump handle so it shuts off, stick the cap back on the tank, and pop the stand down so it doesn't fall over and spill fuel across the whole area . . .

Where I was, Hartshead Moor Services, while I was there, we had pretty much all the above! It is horrible having to deal with the after effects of having to deal with people who have been hurt or died, especially kids.

And, un-related, but an indication of the idiots the public is made up of - some clown in an Irish registered car was spotted dropping heavy bin liners in most of the bins in the main car park and truck park . . . have a google for "Hartshead Moor coach" for why that particular clown was spoken to by Police when chased down for putting all our hearts in our mouths, caused us to have to ask everyone to evacuate, and close the place down, all the while wondering . . . I've got goose-bumps now thinking about that hour or two from 30 yrs ago!

What was in the bin liners? Horse manure! She had a car full of the stuff, which the tip wouldn't take, so she was dumping it in bins - a bit better than flytipping I guess, but as it was bio-degradeable until she wrapped it in bin liners, that would have been easier!

The mobile thing is false, the real cause was actually static from clothing. Remember that era and shell suits well thats your cause

Are you not an engineer, i would suggest do as an engineer should and leave opinion out and focus on facts and stats

 

[Cato]

Haha, oh you sound well 'ard

What's up petal? Insecurities compelling you to respond?

 

[julianthegypsy]

Just for the record, mythbusters tried very hard indeed to make a mobile phone set petrol on fire, and...failed miserably.

 

[Parm]

I am 100% totally, absolutely, completely with you.

risks I take are mine to take.

But if it goes wrong and you get hurt the societal and Medical costs are huge

 

[mtt.tr]

What's up petal? Insecurities compelling you to respond?

No pal, just most people who say this **** wouldn't say boo to a goose

 

[Miranda]

Ride my bikes in a jacket and jeans …. Even the H2 with all its foibles when over a hundred. THE one and only thing that frightens me even these days is a front wheel blow out. I had one a load years ago on my almost brand new Z400 at 30. I hit the road.

front wheel goes almost instantly flat, you come off, no question.

but that of course puts others at risk. Maybe I shouldn’t ever ride a bike??

 

[Parm]

So nobody does anything? Everything but everything has risk both to ourselves and almost always, as you say, to others. We all make different choices .

The modern attempt to create a safe world creates huge problems when people assume safety and no longer look for dangers for themselves.

you drive, your training has taught you how to evaluate risk. You drive to the prevalent conditions

you do this without thinking

 

[Miranda]

But if it goes wrong and you get hurt the societal and Medical costs are huge

That’s why we pay NI but of course that is now just AN Other tax

 

[roofman]

Ride my bikes in a jacket and jeans …. Even the H2 with all its foibles when over a hundred. THE one and only thing that frightens me even these days is a front wheel blow out. I had one a load years ago on my almost brand new Z400 at 30. I hit the road.

front wheel goes almost instantly flat, you come off, no question.

but that of course puts others at risk. Maybe I shouldn’t ever ride a bike??

If ime not mistaken they were tubed = deadly

 

[Parm]

That’s why we pay NI but of course that is now just AN Other tax

Unbelievable

 

[mtt.tr]

That’s why we pay NI but of course that is now just AN Other tax

That's not really how tax works overall

 

[jerrytug]

There are a few videos online of bikers refuelling astride, and igniting. It looks almost impossible to avoid horrific burns.
Standing next to the bike, there would have been a big chance of zero injuries.
Also, the ones caught astride knock the bike over when trying to get off, they are already on fire by the time that happens.
So they are disorientated, unbalanced and blinded, their trousers are soaked in burning petrol, and they are staggering on the forecourt, standing in a pool of flaming petrol pouring out of the bike.

Probly best to get off the bike, to avoid that one in a million chance.
It may not be very likely, but the results would be life-changing for you..and very likely for random bystanders.

 

[mtt.tr]

There are a few videos online of bikers refuelling astride, and igniting. It looks almost impossible to avoid horrific burns.
Standing next to the bike, there would have been a big chance of zero injuries.
Also, the ones caught astride knock the bike over when trying to get off, they are already on fire by the time that happens.
So they are disorientated, unbalanced and blinded, their trousers are soaked in burning petrol, and they are staggering on the forecourt, standing in a pool of flaming petrol pouring out of the bike.

Probly best to get off the bike, to avoid that one in a million chance.
It may not be very likely, but the results would be life-changing for you..and very likely for random bystanders.

Though i do get what you are saying the reality is riding to the petrol station is significantly more dangerous

 

[Miranda]

That's not really how tax works overall

Not now. It was

 

[Miranda]

Unbelievable

Why?

 

[Parm]

Why?

you get hurt, can’t work any more. Huge implications on your work, family, childern medical care etc etc etc

have you ever met anyone that’s unable to work following an accident?