Aston Martin Reversible Electric Conversion

[rtbcomp]

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Are there any £30k 4x4 evs out there that can do the same task and have the same gvw to tow?

Not yet.

 

[rtbcomp]

Where I live that would last all of 30 seconds before going missing...and I'm taking about the cable, the car AND the lamp post!

I have been looking at the Hyundai Kona electric for some time now...it's the first electric car that caught my attention in terms of range and equally as importantly price.

I can see thefts of charging cables being a big problem.

It was the Kona that caught my eye, until I read the review on Fullychargedshow I hadn't realised just how far things had come. Necessity is the mother of invention and all that.

 

[HughF]

In my previous job I had to drive to the centre of London to either drop parts off or fix diggers on hire

I needed a 4x4 double cab as I needed to also gain access to diggers on site with tools and also tow a mini digger for hire too. Due to the euro4,5,6 what ever it is in London it has to be a new vehicle.

Most of the week I had to fill up 4 or 5 times as it only had a range of 400 miles. I ran M/T tyres due to traction off road and nearly every day I’d drive from 5.30am until about 5/6pm typically later


Are there any £30k 4x4 evs out there that can do the same task and have the same gvw to tow?

Sounds like a totally unsustainable and dangerous business model driving so many miles per day. Let lone borderline on the legality aspects wrt tacho if you were towing and gtw was >3500kg

Anyway, no vehicles exist yet for your out-of-the-norm use case.

 

[HughF]

Payed £400 for my RAV4 mk1 it’s had a tyre for £59 and a set of brake pads for £9 plus a service at about £60

Iv had it two years so yeah your right I haven’t had my money out of it at all

It was also not a god send being 4x4 in the snow

I asked for tco, that includes fuel and road tax per month...

Anyone can buy a car for 400 quid and leave it sitting on the drive and say 'look my car cost less than yours', people forget they have to pour expensive refined dinosaur remnants into it.

 

[CompoSimmonite]

What doesn't seem to have been discussed is what about people (like me / pensioner) who simply can't afford a new car or monthly finance. I pay cash for a car and keep it until no longer viable to repair. Currently our everyday cars are both 2004 so 15 years old yet are totally rust free, reliable, economical therefore no reason to consider changing them. When electric cars get to a similar age will they also be cheap to buy ? Will they still be viable ?

 

[CornishPete]

Although I would like to ask if you really need, or really should be allowed (for safety) a 5 minute turnaround time after driving 500 miles?

My point was a 5 minute input for a 500 mile output like I currently get with a diesel.
I know most people don't drive 500 miles a day and if you can charge up overnight it's not a problem, but lots of people do drive further than the current 200 mile range of an EV. I realise things will get better and better and eventually a 5 minute charge will get you a decent range and it becomes viable for many more people.

 

[HughF]

What doesn't seem to have been discussed is what about people (like me / pensioner) who simply can't afford a new car or monthly finance. I pay cash for a car and keep it until no longer viable to repair. Currently our everyday cars are both 2004 so 15 years old yet are totally rust free, reliable, economical therefore no reason to consider changing them. When electric cars get to a similar age will they also be cheap to buy ? Will they still be viable ?

Pensioners and other people with a guaranteed monthly income are the perfect candidate for a fixed, guaranteed monthly outgoing.... If you are on a state pension only then yes, it's difficult, but car ownership is expensive. If you're on a decent pension income then surely £200/month for a Zoe is a sensible proposition?

 

[CornishPete]

One other point on the running costs argument is that currently about 70% of the cost of fuel is tax, whilst 5% of electricity cost is tax. What when numbers of EVs rise enough to affect fuel tax revenues? The government will get that money somehow I guarantee it!

 

[jimbo84]

One other point on the running costs argument is that currently about 70% of the cost of fuel is tax, whilst 5% of electricity cost is tax. What when numbers of EVs rise enough to affect fuel tax revenues? The government will get that money somehow I guarantee it!

Definitely, not sure how they'll do it, maybe making electric cars unchargeable from existing meter supplies and a separate meter for car charging. The one thing that is guaranteed is they'll find some way to tax it to fill to black hole left by the lack of fuel tax.

 

[CompoSimmonite]

Pensioners and other people with a guaranteed monthly income are the perfect candidate for a fixed, guaranteed monthly outgoing.... If you are on a state pension only then yes, it's difficult, but car ownership is expensive. If you're on a decent pension income then surely £200/month for a Zoe is a sensible proposition?

Even if I'd got the disposable income (which I haven't) why should I spend it on a new, or newish, car - whether IC or electric when my older cars still perform perfectly well enough for my needs ?
Don't get me wrong I like the idea of electric vehicles - but not sure I'd spend the money on one even if I could afford when there are so many alternatives at a fraction of the price albeit with IC engine. What is the cheapest Ev ? Quick look shows that The Zoe is £18,400 whereas you can get Dacia for £6995. You can buy an awful lot of petrol for £11,000.
Personally if I'd got £18,000 to spend on a car it would be something more like a used diesel automatic for sub £10000 and a nice classic car with the difference

 

[fizzy]

Total cost of ownership of cheap hack over your ownership? On average.

Kia soul £229/month all in, Renault Zoe is about the same. No tax/servicing/breakdown cover costs

What mileage are those costs based on? 8000 a year I suspect. If you live out in the sticks and have a long commute the costs go way up.
I looked at the lease of a Jag XF v a Tesla. With the mileage I do the Jag was £800 a month the Tesla almost £2000. Now that £1200 a month difference will buy you a hell of a lot of fuel.

 

[HughF]

Even if I'd got the disposable income (which I haven't) why should I spend it on a new, or newish, car - whether IC or electric when my older cars still perform perfectly well enough for my needs ?
Don't get me wrong I like the idea of electric vehicles - but not sure I'd spend the money on one even if I could afford when there are so many alternatives at a fraction of the price albeit with IC engine. What is the cheapest Ev ? Quick look shows that The Zoe is £18,400 whereas you can get Dacia for £6995. You can buy an awful lot of petrol for £11,000.
Personally if I'd got £18,000 to spend on a car it would be something more like a used diesel automatic for sub £10000 and a nice classic car with the difference

Because sooner or later it makes financial sense, unless you particularly like spending your retirement rolling around in old bangers that need fixing (either £££ or your valuable time) and that gas your grandkids.

Zoe is the same per month as the Dacia, or less, because the Dacia has crap residuals and the Zoe has a massive dealer subsidy. Then you have to pay to put fuel in the Dacia so the Zoe will work out cheaper. No one buys cars anymore (not unless they are mad, or they do more than 20k/year), it's the monthlies that matter... You let some faceless finance company worry about the depreciation.

 

[HughF]

One other point on the running costs argument is that currently about 70% of the cost of fuel is tax, whilst 5% of electricity cost is tax. What when numbers of EVs rise enough to affect fuel tax revenues? The government will get that money somehow I guarantee it!

per mile road pricing based on vehicle weight - bring it on I say... It will force people to be more sustainable in their choice of where they live and work.

 

[HughF]

Even if I'd got the disposable income (which I haven't) why should I spend it on a new, or newish, car - whether IC or electric when my older cars still perform perfectly well enough for my needs ?
Don't get me wrong I like the idea of electric vehicles - but not sure I'd spend the money on one even if I could afford when there are so many alternatives at a fraction of the price albeit with IC engine. What is the cheapest Ev ? Quick look shows that The Zoe is £18,400 whereas you can get Dacia for £6995. You can buy an awful lot of petrol for £11,000.
Personally if I'd got £18,000 to spend on a car it would be something more like a used diesel automatic for sub £10000 and a nice classic car with the difference

Also, being retired, you have a duty to re-invest some of your pension income into the economy of this country, a monthly outgoing to RCI (renault finance, based in the UK) is a nice way of keeping some service industry employees in a job

 

[HughF]

What mileage are those costs based on? 8000 a year I suspect. If you live out in the sticks and have a long commute the costs go way up.
I looked at the lease of a Jag XF v a Tesla. With the mileage I do the Jag was £800 a month the Tesla almost £2000. Now that £1200 a month difference will buy you a hell of a lot of fuel.

As you know monthlies are variable depending on mileage and initial deposit and length of term...

 

[fizzy]

per mile road pricing based on vehicle weight - bring it on I say... It will force people to be more sustainable in their choice of where they live and work.

Brilliant!
When I was IT contracting every job I had was the other side of the Severn Bridge. House prices are a lot lower in Wales than England. So how could I sell up and move?
How does someone manage living in the countryside? Do you suggest everyone abandon their family homes and move into cities?

 

[fizzy]

Also, being retired, you have a duty to re-invest some of your pension income into the economy of this country, a monthly outgoing to RCI (renault finance, based in the UK) is a nice way of keeping some service industry employees in a job

Surely he has paid enough tax in his life?
And buying a British car is a far better way of helping this country!

 

[HughF]

Surely he has paid enough tax in his life?
And buying a British car is a far better way of helping this country!

Nobody in this country ever pays enough tax.... but lets not go there

 

[rtbcomp]

Also, being retired, you have a duty to re-invest some of your pension income into the economy of this country, a monthly outgoing to RCI (renault finance, based in the UK) is a nice way of keeping some service industry employees in a job

Surely he has paid enough tax in his life?
And buying a British car is a far better way of helping this country!

Nobody in this country ever pays enough tax.... but lets not go there

Going way off topic here - if you want start another thread "How Should Pensioners Spend Their Money."

 

[HughF]

Going way off topic here - if you want start another thread "How Should Pensioners Spend Their Money."

Yep, apologies.... I could argue about the benefits of electric transport till I'm blue in the face. I'll bow out now.