More lathe advice "Chester"

[brightspark]

my bridgie is no 30 international [taper it makes no odds either no 40 or 50 or r8 all tooling is available i have a 6inch criterion rotary table in nice condition. bought it of ebay give 85 quid for it i then bought a horizontal vertical one for a lot more money .so its going back on ebay

 

[busastars]

Its a friend who I know who has lost compleate interset, I cannot get him even to turn on anything. He has a very nice Harrison L5 Lathe that has been partly rebuilt, over the years ive offered to buy that a few times but he couldent bare to sell it, NOT like I got room for that anymore.

Its just it is local, I could have a play first, its close to what is recumended compaired to these chiniese things ive been asking about.

 

[wyn]

The INT 40 is just another type of taper with 2 drive dogs

 

[busastars]

So all in all I should be able to get different parts, cutters, etc for this if I did buy it.

If it does all that I would want it to do I could get away with a small model makers lathe then as I sure wont have to much room left.

 

[""kb]

Busa did you read my last post ?

 

[busastars]

Busa did you read my last post ?

Yes chears, gave me a few ideas if I was any good. One part I would like to knock out would be reed spacers and if I could knock these out with ease I could sell them half the price they are new, make only a couple of pound here and there but helps pay for tools.

I know thats turning a negative into a positive but any positive things about this mill, got to be LOADS better than the Warco Major I had in mind.

 

[""kb]

let me put it this way its like using a tractor for your commuting car instead of a car, the tractor is best where it belongs in the field. its NO good for you.

 

[busastars]

As you can imagen im gettin alot of conflicting information, advised one thing then next min told no good. Think im getting on track with what I need then getting lost once again

Was first looking at the 3 in 1 chiniese Chester/Warco range. Got advised not to touch them as the Mill is rubbish etc.

Then I thought well ill get an expensive chiniese Mill at the cost of an all in one, About £1k but the advice im getting is they wont do what I want even though its about the best they do and far from cheap.

Alot of the advice was Buy somthing like Bridgeport or similar, found one that is similar and made Bridgports under licence that has both vertical & horizontal, local, ticking alot of boxes and now seems thats not quite upto the job.

Can anyone else see the confusion here who has been following this.

 

[BChild]

Can anyone else see the confusion here who has been following this.

Yep

 

[busastars]

One thing I will say most enginiers I have met over the years have been a strange lot.

Its like a secret sercierty, Wink Wink, Nudge Nudge, Dance round the fire with masks.

Sorry for my humor, this is why I ask on forums as most of us are hobbiests, working in the shed, similar intrests.

BUT for somthing simple I sure have got a headacke now.

 

[BChild]

One thing I will say most enginiers I have met over the years have been a strange lot.

Its like a secret sercierty, Wink Wink, Nudge Nudge, Dance round the fire with masks.

Sorry for my humor, this is why I ask on forums as most of us are hobbiests, working in the shed, similar intrests.

BUT for somthing simple I sure have got a headacke now.

People expectations and std are different - you will struggle to get people to agree when they hold different views

(Except that SIP make rubbish welders - everyone agrees that )

 

[brightspark]

the 1es is a large universal machine well worth having if the price is right what others are talkin about is a brigie turret mill a larger machine with more speed control and fine tune quill adjustment. and more money for something decent over a grand . then u need a 440 v converter as they wont run on a 240 v 3phase inverter another 400 quid. or get a small hobby miller which would be hand feed table. not good and cost a lot of money so thats about it .whats available at the right price and will suit your needs

 

[busastars]

Thanks brightspark, that clears up alot, basicly the differance is about £1k for more control. £600 ish on what I listed or £1600 on somthing including inverter etc.

Well my budjet was always about £1k tops, I gess I could get the 1es around the £600 and then there is always tooling, Rotary table ebay £100 ish second hand, sure ill need a few other things depending on what would be chucked in.

Does that sound about right.

This is if I can even get it down to my shed/workshop, just trying to get what is advised for the type of work I want to do and learn.

 

[brightspark]

Thanks brightspark, that clears up alot, basicly the differance is about £1k for more control. £600 ish on what I listed or £1600 on somthing including inverter etc.

Well my budjet was always about £1k tops, I gess I could get the 1es around the £600 and then there is always tooling, Rotary table ebay £100 ish second hand, sure ill need a few other things depending on what would be chucked in.

Does that sound about right.

This is if I can even get it down to my shed/workshop, just trying to get what is advised for the type of work I want to do and learn.

that price yes. rotary table bout 80 decent machine vice 60 ish clarkson autolock chuck with collets about 100. a clamping kit. 50 milling cutters about 60 then whatever u can aford later on

 

[""kb]

Busa I can understand what you are saying, ok lets look at the Chinese side of things yes they are quite cheap to buy and they will do the job they are made for, like I have said before WITHIN THERE LIMITATIONS mainly for the hobbyist doing light work ( materials ) and not built for every day machine shop use therefore looked upon as crap, so then you are left with either very expensive machine shop job new machine, or used second-hand machine one of which you are finding out that there are all sorts of mills out there, so being an engineer myself who has worked on lots of mills am trying to point you in the right direction for the right machine for home use that will give you the most versatile usage without being to large or cumbersome, the machine you have mentioned about getting is at least 50% + heavier and the tooling to go with it is heavy and cumbersome also, if you have the room for a bridegport turret machine that would be the one to get and the tooling needed is very light and cheap to buy as regards holding cutters, its a excellent machine for the price you can pick them up for. hope this helps.

 

[""kb]

the 1es is a large universal machine well worth having if the price is right what others are talkin about is a brigie turret mill a larger machine with more speed control and fine tune quill adjustment. and more money for something decent over a grand . then u need a 440 v converter as they wont run on a 240 v 3phase inverter another 400 quid. or get a small hobby miller which would be hand feed table. not good and cost a lot of money so thats about it .whats available at the right price and will suit your needs

Sorry bright but your wrong there, the bridgeport is smaller in size and a hell of a lot lighter, I know this because I have both in the machine shop next to each other. the bridgeport is taller yes but thats all.

 

[busastars]

Sorry what I ment was in person people that I have met over the years, as in enginiers seem to be a strange lot, nothing wrong with that but its hard to get information and try and learn yourself.

Most of the work I would use it for is Ally.

2T Head skims largest being 9" x 7", re'cutting chambers, cutting O'ring groves, reedspacers 3" x 3", like to have a go at making my own rearsets/backplates but obviously need the lathe also, exhaust flanges (steel), carb manifolds/mounts, probably various spacers that the Lathe carnt do, like to try some yokes.

Almost all bike related, ive learnt alot just on my lathe, I see things I would like to have a go at making that I carnt because im limited on tools. The RD I built dont look like much but other bikers will understand how hard getting things to fit off other bikes is.

I still need to learn how to use one, BUT in very basic terms its a large drill that holds verious cutters and then there is the bed that the macined object is mounted to that can be moved accuratly to the cutter. Obviously there is more than that but I wont learn unless I buy the tools myself and practice.

Hope this explaines more about me and what I like to do.

 

[brightspark]

Sorry bright but your wrong there, the bridgeport is smaller in size and a hell of a lot lighter, I know this because I have both in the machine shop next to each other. the bridgeport is taller yes but thats all.

i use both. i learnt on a turret at college
have my own universal and use my brothers turret if nececary its all down to price . whats available and whats suitable. the 1es suits me fine it does everything i want it to do the tooling is no dearer for the int 30 taper than an r8. i got all of mine with the mill for 750 quid the machines mint its from durham university and hardly used a big difrence from over 12oo quid then another 400 for a converter as they canot be run on a cheap 240v 3phase inverter

 

[""kb]

No probs there busa ha ha, all the things you have mentioned there that you would like to make you would find it difficult to make them on the Adcock & Shipley machine compared to the bridgeport.

 

[brightspark]

i use both. i learnt on a turret at college
have my own universal and use my brothers turret if nececary its all down to price . whats available and whats suitable. the 1es suits me fine it does everything i want it to do the tooling is no dearer for the int 30 taper than an r8. i got all of mine with the mill for 750 quid the machines mint its from durham university and hardly used a big difrence from over 12oo quid then another 400 for a converter as they canot be run on a cheap 240v 3phase inverter

the weight of the 1es is 870kg the turret is 1 tonne