Energy suppliers

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[Kayos]

Fear not help is on the way!
This will make ALL the difference in the world. Received this today...wtf?

"As a Priority Services Customer, we wanted to let you know that our name is changing. From September Western Power Distribution (WPD) will be known as National Grid."

That is not your supplier

 

[Kayos]

It's proven tech, gas is cheaper per unit of heat, no matter how much drivel the hopeful electric guys spew forth.

First part is correct, gas has always worked out around a third cheaper IF (and it's a big if) you have a reasonably modern boiler over 90% efficient and you do not keep 210 litres topped up to to 85 degrees constantly

With a heat pump correctly set up gas/electric costs are about parity currently. The medium term projections are that electricity will fall faster than gas, but those projections might as well come from a crystal ball at the minute.

No proponent of electricity will claim it's cheaper than gas using direct methods, that's more dreamed up nonsense those who prefer their houses heated with coal and their children infected with scabies and polio say

 

[prepman]

That is not your supplier

Duhh! I know.It's the network changing it's name back to what it was..(visualise wavy lines) a while back.

 

[prepman]

First part is correct, gas has always worked out around a third cheaper IF (and it's a big if) you have a reasonably modern boiler over 90% efficient and you do not keep 210 litres topped up to to 85 degrees constantly

With a heat pump correctly set up gas/electric costs are about parity currently. The medium term projections are that electricity will fall faster than gas, but those projections might as well come from a crystal ball at the minute.

No proponent of electricity will claim it's cheaper than gas using direct methods, that's more dreamed up nonsense those who prefer their houses heated with coal and their children infected with scabies and polio say

Correct. A lot has to do with transmission losses.( 60% or something ridiculous?) So it has to be more economical for heating. Conversion to other forms of energy is what lowers effiency.

 

[Robotstar5]

Just had an email from Shell Energy about the impending price cap rise, the interesting bit is they state the price cap applies to energy unit cost so they shouldn't be increasing the daily standing charge this time like the nearly 50% hike last time, we shall see.

 

[Kayos]

Just had an email from Shell Energy about the impending price cap rise, the interesting bit is they state the price cap applies to energy unit cost so they shouldn't be increasing the daily standing charge this time like the nearly 50% hike last time, we shall see.

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A lot of commercial customers have had the standing charge put up massively, it isn't covered by any of the funding we can get, only the unit price

 

[Morrisman]

Copies this from another forum, no idea of its accurate or genuine:


Well after todays announcement from the Bank of England , there is something very very very wrong in the system...
So... let me get this straight:
* British Gas made a profit of £1.3bn between January & June
* BP announced profits of £6.95 billion between April and June alone
* Shell has profited by £9.4bn in a year
The MEN at the top:
* John Pettigrew, boss of National Grid received £6.5m bonus on top of his salary
* Chris O’Shea, chief executive of British Gas owner Centrica was paid almost £2m last year in salary and benefits
* Centrica's non-executive directors were paid almost £1m
* Scottish Power's CEO Keith Anderson is on £1.15m.
* E.On boss Michael Lewis is on £1m
* EDF's Simone Rossi is also on £1m
* And their top execs enjoyed a share of £4.65m
* Peter Simpson of Anglian Water earned a £1.3m pay package
* Welsh Water bosses awarded themselves bonuses of over £930,000
* Severn Trent bosses awarded themselves bonuses of £5.56m
* Thames Water's Sarah Bentley, received a £727,000 bonus on top of her £2m annual salary
Meanwhile there are...
* People who haven't had breakfast and/or lunch TODAY, because they can't afford it.
* People using FoodBanks because food is becoming more of a luxury than a necessity.
* Children celebrating a birthday without presents.
* Parents worrying about new school uniforms - and some schools enforcing rules which are not cost-effective.
* People who can't get to work because they can't afford to put petrol in their cars/pay for public transport anymore.
* People who are working so much they're making themselves ill, and they STILL CAN'T AFFORD to pay their bills.
* People who have been given fines by these same energy/water companies because they couldn't afford to pay their bills in the first place - increasing their debt.
* Customers being told to do STAR JUMPS TO KEEP WARM for crying out loud!
* Hose pipe bans when gallons of water leak away everyday.
* Elderly people NOT DRINKING because they're worried about running out of water!!!
All this and energy prices are set to rise up to 75% in October...
THIS IS MADNESS!.. I'm all for supporting profits ..I'm not for supporting greed at the cost of lives of others..
Something needs to change..
Why are customers' money being used to make life more comfortable for those who are making life more intolerable for the rest of us?
I actually don't understand how the energy companies are allowed to get away with this and why the government aren't stopping them instead of handing out money.....
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[julianf]

* People who haven't had breakfast and/or lunch TODAY, because they can't afford it.
* People using FoodBanks because food is becoming more of a luxury than a necessity.
* Children celebrating a birthday without presents.
* Parents worrying about new school uniforms - and some schools enforcing rules which are not cost-effective.
* People who can't get to work because they can't afford to put petrol in their cars/pay for public transport anymore.
* People who are working so much they're making themselves ill, and they STILL CAN'T AFFORD to pay their bills.
* People who have been given fines by these same energy/water companies because they couldn't afford to pay their bills in the first place - increasing their debt.
* Customers being told to do STAR JUMPS TO KEEP WARM for crying out loud!
* Hose pipe bans when gallons of water leak away everyday.
* Elderly people NOT DRINKING because they're worried about running out of water!!!

Ahh, socialism - the politics of envy.

They should all just get better jobs.

 

[Screwdriver]

Copies this from another forum, no idea of its accurate or genuine:


Well after todays announcement from the Bank of England , there is something very very very wrong in the system...
So... let me get this straight:
* British Gas made a profit of £1.3bn between January & June
* BP announced profits of £6.95 billion between April and June alone
* Shell has profited by £9.4bn in a year
The MEN at the top:
* John Pettigrew, boss of National Grid received £6.5m bonus on top of his salary
* Chris O’Shea, chief executive of British Gas owner Centrica was paid almost £2m last year in salary and benefits
* Centrica's non-executive directors were paid almost £1m
* Scottish Power's CEO Keith Anderson is on £1.15m.
* E.On boss Michael Lewis is on £1m
* EDF's Simone Rossi is also on £1m
* And their top execs enjoyed a share of £4.65m
* Peter Simpson of Anglian Water earned a £1.3m pay package
* Welsh Water bosses awarded themselves bonuses of over £930,000
* Severn Trent bosses awarded themselves bonuses of £5.56m
* Thames Water's Sarah Bentley, received a £727,000 bonus on top of her £2m annual salary
Meanwhile there are...
* People who haven't had breakfast and/or lunch TODAY, because they can't afford it.
* People using FoodBanks because food is becoming more of a luxury than a necessity.
* Children celebrating a birthday without presents.
* Parents worrying about new school uniforms - and some schools enforcing rules which are not cost-effective.
* People who can't get to work because they can't afford to put petrol in their cars/pay for public transport anymore.
* People who are working so much they're making themselves ill, and they STILL CAN'T AFFORD to pay their bills.
* People who have been given fines by these same energy/water companies because they couldn't afford to pay their bills in the first place - increasing their debt.
* Customers being told to do STAR JUMPS TO KEEP WARM for crying out loud!
* Hose pipe bans when gallons of water leak away everyday.
* Elderly people NOT DRINKING because they're worried about running out of water!!!
All this and energy prices are set to rise up to 75% in October...
THIS IS MADNESS!.. I'm all for supporting profits ..I'm not for supporting greed at the cost of lives of others..
Something needs to change..
Why are customers' money being used to make life more comfortable for those who are making life more intolerable for the rest of us?
I actually don't understand how the energy companies are allowed to get away with this and why the government aren't stopping them instead of handing out money.....
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Looks about right. It's a scam.

As I said earlier, the costs of wages, salaries and bonuses are NOT included in the profit and loss account.

So the fat cats just hand themselves massive salaries, bonuses, share options you name it then moan about "the company" making a loss.

Naturally they have a few billion spare to hand out to their shareholders but tbh, people like that would be just as happy to burn money if it made their accounts look better.

Same people will ALSO hide their money in offshore accounts so that they don't even have to pay a fair share of tax to the country they owe EVERYTHING to...

 

[addjunkie]

Naturally they have a few billion spare to hand out to their shareholders but tbh, people like that would be just as happy to burn money if it made their accounts look better.

The reality though is many of us…the little man, normal people are the share holders….as its where pension plans are placed by “ institutional investors”

 

[James1979]

The media keep using this term shareholders as part of the us and them rhetoric they seem to be promoting about everything at the moment.

What they don’t point out as it doesn’t suit the agenda is that most folk who work in a largish company get shares as part of a salary deal now and again.

If they said a large number of Tesco shareholders use food banks it wouldn’t suit their story angle…..

 

[Morrisman]

Ahh, socialism - the politics of envy.

They should all just get better jobs.

Definitely. They should all have tried harder at school and then they/we could all be a CEO.

 

[Screwdriver]

The reality though is many of us…the little man, normal people are the share holders….as its where pension plans are placed by “ institutional investors”

Indeed, we are able to pick up the crumbs that fall off the table. Most of the actual wealth is being greedily stuffed into the mouths of the super rich.

Farmers are next on the list. Property has dried up, the super rich are after the ground beneath our fee. All the preparations are in place, they literally just have to press the right buttons and the farming community (especially their lands!) will be absorbed into the giant equity firms and global corporations.

 

[dobbslc]

Copies this from another forum, no idea of its accurate or genuine:


Well after todays announcement from the Bank of England , there is something very very very wrong in the system...
So... let me get this straight:
* British Gas made a profit of £1.3bn between January & June
* BP announced profits of £6.95 billion between April and June alone
* Shell has profited by £9.4bn in a year
The MEN at the top:
* John Pettigrew, boss of National Grid received £6.5m bonus on top of his salary
* Chris O’Shea, chief executive of British Gas owner Centrica was paid almost £2m last year in salary and benefits
* Centrica's non-executive directors were paid almost £1m
* Scottish Power's CEO Keith Anderson is on £1.15m.
* E.On boss Michael Lewis is on £1m
* EDF's Simone Rossi is also on £1m
* And their top execs enjoyed a share of £4.65m
* Peter Simpson of Anglian Water earned a £1.3m pay package
* Welsh Water bosses awarded themselves bonuses of over £930,000
* Severn Trent bosses awarded themselves bonuses of £5.56m
* Thames Water's Sarah Bentley, received a £727,000 bonus on top of her £2m annual salary
Meanwhile there are...
* People who haven't had breakfast and/or lunch TODAY, because they can't afford it.
* People using FoodBanks because food is becoming more of a luxury than a necessity.
* Children celebrating a birthday without presents.
* Parents worrying about new school uniforms - and some schools enforcing rules which are not cost-effective.
* People who can't get to work because they can't afford to put petrol in their cars/pay for public transport anymore.
* People who are working so much they're making themselves ill, and they STILL CAN'T AFFORD to pay their bills.
* People who have been given fines by these same energy/water companies because they couldn't afford to pay their bills in the first place - increasing their debt.
* Customers being told to do STAR JUMPS TO KEEP WARM for crying out loud!
* Hose pipe bans when gallons of water leak away everyday.
* Elderly people NOT DRINKING because they're worried about running out of water!!!
All this and energy prices are set to rise up to 75% in October...
THIS IS MADNESS!.. I'm all for supporting profits ..I'm not for supporting greed at the cost of lives of others..
Something needs to change..
Why are customers' money being used to make life more comfortable for those who are making life more intolerable for the rest of us?
I actually don't understand how the energy companies are allowed to get away with this and why the government aren't stopping them instead of handing out money.....
Copied & pasted from others.
Keep this going around for all to see

I was driving into work this morning thinking about all of this ^ and it stinks, stinks very bad but the small man or woman can do very little about it UNLESS we have a revolution!
I'm not kidding it's the only thing I can come up with that will truly rock the rotten core of the establishment. Smash a few rich heads really tear the place up. I mean we don't have much to loose now as everything has gone tits up from the NHS, policing, food and building material costs then to CAP it all off energy costs!
I really do think people will freeze or starve to death this winter while these greedy xxxxs just get richer.
If I was young enough to have kids again I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't want to put all this on their head's. I feel guilty for what my boys will have to deal with when gone and don't forget, when you die the bastard's will tax you for that too

I'm off to look at my Che Guevara poster.

Come the revolution!

 

[tigdlo]

* BP announced profits of £6.95 billion between April and June alone

They made a loss of $20.4 billion in the first quarter of 2022and $10billion profit the second quarter, no wonder CEOs make so much being the god level business men they are to make a company failing in the tune of $80 billion dollar losses a year and turn it into a $40billion dollar a year profit! That's an effective annual increase of $120billion dollars!!!!!!! It's almost unbeleivable.....

 

[addjunkie]

They made a loss of $20.4 billion in the first quarter of 2022and $10billion profit the second quarter, no wonder CEOs make so much being the god level business men they are to make a company failing in the tune of $80 billion dollar losses a year and turn it into a $40billion dollar a year profit! That's an effective annual increase of $120billion dollars!!!!!!! It's almost unbeleivable.....

This is driven by writing off losses grown from the exit from Rosneft in Russia. Then the rise in oil prices. I will reiterate with these large profits for oil companies….most of it is made overseas. But the media and lets tax the world politicians neglect to mention that as it doesn't suit there agenda.

 

[merryman]

I was talking to a customer today, local farmer who had put a load of solar panels up on his buildings. I said "you will be coining it in at the moment with all those panels and the weeks of sunshine" he said " I've made nowt, my energy supplier hasn't initialized the meter. I am exporting the electric but they are not paying for it" It seems it is down to them when they do it, and they haven't got round to it yet.

 

[julianf]

I was talking to a customer today, local farmer who had put a load of solar panels up on his buildings. I said "you will be coining it in at the moment with all those panels and the weeks of sunshine" he said " I've made nowt, my energy supplier hasn't initialized the meter. I am exporting the electric but they are not paying for it" It seems it is down to them when they do it, and they haven't got round to it yet.

I suspect, due to the accounting for input / output on the grid, its not his energy supplier that has benefitted at all. I think most "suppliers" need to buy into the grid the same units as they sell, or there abouts. If his supplier has not bought the units from him, they are not theirs to "sell" either.

 

[Kayos]

The reality though is many of us…the little man, normal people are the share holders….as its where pension plans are placed by “ institutional investors”

Pensions are about 2% of Bp and She'll, it's not as big as the govt and media make out