Diesel V super Diesel?

[ukracer]

The problem is modern cars know the egr has been disabled or blanked and then alter there running putting the vehicle into a less efficient MO and in fact are less efficient and use more fuel because of it !
in fact some now disable the egr under certain conditions to save creating more soot thus trying to save the dpf, it is soooo complex that it confuses itself sometimes and fault codes now are so complex there maybe many versions of the same 'old' code ie sub codes to the main ones.

And thats another problem with the world. Its getting over complex.

 

[zzr1200]

The problem btw is generic...being allowed to design a system that requires you to break the law to keep it going.

Not necessarily I used do an oil change, then run my Range Rover diesel up and down between the Saddlers Farm Junction (A13) and the A12 on the A130, several times.
Then at the legal limit , (well about 75 mph...) in 4th gear this allowed the engine to rev to about 3500/4000 rpm, which certainly got the exhaust hot enough to clear its self judging by the amount of black cloud/crap I left behind, when the cat got hot enough to clear its self.

Then its was off to the mot station, I never had an emissions problem with the vehicle at test and always had low test results.

 

[GW8IZR]

agreed, its engine speed not road speed..

Having said that it does annoy me that manufacturers say the car will do 50mpg *but* you have to thrash it every so often to maintain that

 

[zzr1200]

agreed, its engine speed not road speed..

Having said that it does annoy me that manufacturers say the car will do 50mpg *but* you have to thrash it every so often to maintain that

Arr...but if the manufacturers programmed the injection systems properly in the first place half of these problem probably wouldn't exist.

After all its only to beat the tests and comply to the government test figures.................

PS.

GW81ZR......what machine is in your SIG picture.....Genie or Haulotte???

 

[fizzy]

If I lived in the USA with cheap petrol and didn't care about CO2 I would run a petrol. Nothing beats a nice big petrol V8.
As I have to consider economy I drive diesels.
I drive hard -very very hard. It is one of my few vices.
I rent cars due to milage so I have been through most.
My Insignia 2L diesel 170bhp does 38 to 40mpg. I had the 2L petrol which averaged 22mpg.
The new Insignia has adblue so almost zero particulates. It costs £6 to fill up with adblue at a lorry pump and lasts about 10,000 miles so not much of a problem.
I have never had any trouble with any diesel I have driven.

 

[daleyd]

I've had diesels for a few years now (Every company car I've had since 2007 has been diesel), never had an issue with any of them. From the petrol ones I had before I actually preferred driving diesel cars as I found them easier to drive and more relaxing, the midrange torque of a diesel seems to work well for real world driving rather than the revvy nature of a petrol, which although fun can get a bit tiring when you do a lot of miles. I guess the downside is they run into a brick wall rather than carry on revving, and the low frequency rumble/clatter - I had a loan Xtrail petrol when mine was being serviced I was amazed how much quieter it was than my car.

That said, my next car is going to be a petrol, for no other reason than the diesel version was too expensive so wasn't on the company car list otherwise I would have chosen an oil burner again (probably). If nothing else it'll be interesting to compare having not owned a petrol car for so long, I'll report back when it turns up

 

[normspanners]

I have never had any trouble with any diesel I have driven.

thats prop because you drive them hard as they are designed, problem is most people dont and the things never get given their head from time to time, they go to school, asda and back etc I have customers that are 8-10-12 mls from work, a good distance some might thing but HELL for a modern diesel in winter they just starting to regen and are switched off.

 

[fizzy]

And talking of petrols...
The modern way of things to beat taxes and emissions just doesn't work in the real world.
A mate of mine is on motability and he asks me to help him test drive his cars. He has to have an auto as he only has 1 leg.
His last car was a Vauxhall Astra coupe 2L diesel same engine as the Insignia. He would get about 35mpg - all town driving and an auto.
When he changed it he went for a Vauxhall mocca - bloody horrid thing. They tried to give him a 1.6 turbo petrol. On paper it gave similar figures to the diesel.
I took it for a test drive. To get any sort of speed out of it foot was always on the floor. I checked the fuel consumption. 9mpg!!! Yes really. The Jag 5L supercharged I had did 18!
He ended up with the 1.6 diesel version. He was getting 28mpg - far less than the bigger diesel.
These small engines look great on paper - not so good in real World usage.

 

[normspanners]

These small engines look great on paper - not so good in real World usage.

All revs and no legs, not meaning your mate BTW

 

[fizzy]

thats prop because you drive them hard as they are designed, problem is most people dont and the things never get given their head from time to time, they go to school, asda and back etc I have customers that are 8-10-12 mls from work, a good distance some might thing but HELL for a modern diesel in winter they just starting to regen and are switched off.

Yup I agree. The mate on motability I just mentioned sometimes gets a DPF warning - so he lets me drive the car for the day

 

[fizzy]

All revs and no legs, not meaning your mate BTW

Lol don't worry he would laugh at that.

 

[fizzy]

I also feel diesels and autos not a good match.

 

[normspanners]

I did an oil change on a duplo reset the service light etc now a duplo is a working mans van in reality isnt it? so a few thousand mls and the oil light is flashing, ok I will check HUM not due a change whats going on? the car decides that due to mls, the oil is not of the correct quality, for it to do a regen !! and will not do one !! FFS it is a separate mls counter and has to go back to fiat to be reset what a rip off !! meanwhile the car is building soot up so that it will block the dpf, how good is that?.

 

[arther dailey]

did you get the modded one with the wiring expensive loom ?

It cost £200 including the loom adapter, although it was supposed a straight plug and play,the van would not start,spoke to the experts they reckoned needed going to a dealership and diagnostics, ye right ££££££ ,so squirt of easy start,fired up and ran,let it run for a few minutes ,tried it on the key,no problem.
now I hate easy start,but it seemed to me it needed to fire up to recognise the new part,even stranger the delphi obd I have still states there is a open circuit and fault, checked the butterfly with the pipe off and it certainly is working, so presume the "new" loom that goes from four wires to three is the cause of the reading.
Certainly drives fine and no edc light any more.ye.
tried to free of the original valve but was fubar,they had run it jammed for a long time as delphi read 200 to infinitum faults on it when I got it.

 

[normspanners]

It cost £200 including the loom adapter, although it was supposed a straight plug and play,the van would not start,spoke to the experts they reckoned needed going to a dealership and diagnostics, ye right ££££££ ,

I didnt have a proplem did one a few weeks ago in fact, VERY common, they SHOULD be done under extended warranty in reality

tried to free of the original valve but was fubar,

because it is not fit for purpose and you shouldnt have to pay for a modded loom to replace a modded part that is not up to the job !

 

[arther dailey]

my old mk2 daily tipper, I used to go through town to my workshop and back 6 days a week, but at least twice a week when well lets say a good weight of statues and pots on the back I would go home the slightly longer mototway route, when up to temp I would open it up to the legal limit if the road was really clear,and keep it there for five minutes.
when it came for mot I sat in the waiting room ,like you do,hearing my engine being revved, later on I hear it being revved again,strange,time passes,mechanic comes in,yup it passed,but I asked why revving the engine twice,well the emmisions were so low I thought I made a mistake so got the foreman to check it,its the lowest we have had for a diesel truck, you must thrash the daylights out of it.
So proof posative for me, I would fill up with the expensive shell a week before the test and just use the motorway for a week.reckon it would have passed anyways as brilliant engine only sold it after ten years as rust started to get hold..but diesels are better of being worked with a good load on preferably,keeps em clean.

 

[arther dailey]

I didnt have a proplem did one a few weeks ago in fact, VERY common, they SHOULD be done under warranty in reality


because it is not fit for purpose and you shouldnt have to pay for a modded loom to replace a modded part that is not up to the job !

vans an 08 so dont reckon warranty will run that long! and yes original part was bad design hence update model. loom came with on the one I bought and shopped around for that price!

 

[normspanners]

vans an 08 so dont reckon warranty will run that long!

No they are a faulty part and they should extend the warranty to that part, I have edited my first post on this, in america they wouldnt stand for it they all club together and take the manuf. to task over things like this!

 

[normspanners]

delphi read 200 to infinitum faults on it when I got it.

close to perfect then ?

 

[normspanners]

vans an 08 so dont reckon warranty will run that long! and yes original part was bad design

I bet it has had a couple of them fitted in its 10yrs !