When things were simpler but worked

[redlig]

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But can you sell it on? A lot of people will buy a car only if they can be sure that it is sellable after a couple of years .

 

[redlig]

When you look at a modern designed car - they just look like they will last the first 3yrs and 100.000miles and no more.

manufacturers aren't interested after a few years all they want you to do is buy another one. I had a conversation with a design manager and discussed the longevity of a particular component that was sealed for life but wasn't . His answer " why worry 2nd owner 3 years no warranty ? It's a fraught subject. I'm just glad all I had to do was Kick tyres and tell the dealers RTFM. Well nearly all!

 

[Bornfree]

But can you sell it on? A lot of people will buy a car only if they can be sure that it is sellable after a couple of years .

I went on the " we buy any car" and they valued it at £150

 

[tom2207]

I got given a McCullough leaf blower , small two stroke engine , just like all the rest ,, long story cut short it only had half the crank case made from alloy , the other half was cheap plastic. No bearings in the plastic side just a felt seal, now how on earth could that ever last so I thought about it and counted it out.
It had a two year warranty , so ,,, on average it would be used say twice a month over the summer months , thats 8 times a year x2 =16 times in total .
say three mins a time , 3x 16 all it had to do was last 45 mins to an hour and it was out of warranty , maybe two tanks of fuel max.
after that its throw it away and get another after all by the time it didnt start on year three its old and due a replacement ,, not quite what a professional would expect in a blower but it wasnt sold to professionals , just a B&Q garden base special.

 

[keithski122]

When you look at a modern designed car - they just look like they will last the first 3yrs and 100.000miles and no more.

With the older cars how many rebuilds will they need before they get anywhere near 100k miles?

 

[Red'n'Black]

I went on the " we buy any car" and they valued it at £150

Never had much luck with them, though to be fair I don't think I'm really their target market.

Just for a laugh I put Mrs RnB's 13 year old Citroen with moon-and-back mileage on there, offered me £235. Put it on ebay, sold for £900.

 

[tom2207]

With the older cars how many rebuilds will they need before they get anywhere near 100k miles?

other side of the argument , you used to do valves on a fort x flow at 40k , and bore them and do pistons rings and bearings at 80k ,,, very rare you got 120k out of one at all , so there really is two sides to the thing.

 

[dobbslc]

I got given a McCullough leaf blower , small two stroke engine , just like all the rest ,, long story cut short it only had half the crank case made from alloy , the other half was cheap plastic. No bearings in the plastic side just a felt seal, now how on earth could that ever last so I thought about it and counted it out.
It had a two year warranty , so ,,, on average it would be used say twice a month over the summer months , thats 8 times a year x2 =16 times in total .
say three mins a time , 3x 16 all it had to do was last 45 mins to an hour and it was out of warranty , maybe two tanks of fuel max.
after that its throw it away and get another after all by the time it didnt start on year three its old and due a replacement ,, not quite what a professional would expect in a blower but it wasnt sold to professionals , just a B&Q garden base special.

That's the sort of thing that means I'll never buy a McCullough product.
Absolute tat!
No wonder we're in the state we are now if company's get away with selling ****e like that!

 

[premmington]

other side of the argument , you used to do valves on a fort x flow at 40k , and bore them and do pistons rings and bearings at 80k ,,, very rare you got 120k out of one at all , so there really is two sides to the thing.

Personally I think "user" car design peaked in the late 1990's early to mid 2000's - it was uphill till then and downhill from them.

Cars got comfy - well equipped - did not rust too bad - engines lasted well. They were easy enough to fix (mostly). Now they are made to price - look shiney - but I can't see them lasting with all functions working with all the tech in them.

 

[tom2207]

Personally I think "user" car design peaked in the late 1990's early to mid 2000's - it was uphill till then and downhill from them.

Cars got comfy - well equipped - did not rust too bad - engines lasted well. They were easy enough to fix (mostly). Now they are made to price - look shiney - but I can't see them lasting with all functions working with all the tech in them.

the thing that brought about the change in longevity in my eyes was emissions control , parts got lighter to increase mpg and reduce emissions , mixes got leaned out , and lots of other things , everything got complicated to meet emissions and from then on it was down hill.

 

[premmington]

the thing that brought about the change in longevity in my eyes was emissions control , parts got lighter to increase mpg and reduce emissions , mixes got leaned out , and lots of other things , everything got complicated to meet emissions and from then on it was down hill.

I agree with your statement 100%.

 

[arther dailey]

the thing that brought about the change in longevity in my eyes was emissions control , parts got lighter to increase mpg and reduce emissions , mixes got leaned out , and lots of other things , everything got complicated to meet emissions and from then on it was down hill.

100% correct

 

[Robotstar5]

other side of the argument , you used to do valves on a fort x flow at 40k , and bore them and do pistons rings and bearings at 80k ,,, very rare you got 120k out of one at all , so there really is two sides to the thing.

I remember my dad telling me he had a spare engine for his ford van in the 50's. When the running engine needed work he would swap the engine then overhaul the removed one and leave it in the garage ready for the next time.

 

[Bobupndown]

Personally I think "user" car design peaked in the late 1990's early to mid 2000's - it was uphill till then and downhill from them.

Cars got comfy - well equipped - did not rust too bad - engines lasted well. They were easy enough to fix (mostly). Now they are made to price - look shiney - but I can't see them lasting with all functions working with all the tech in them.

Love to be able to buy a new mid 90's 300Tdi Defender. With a little corrosion prevention it could last me the rest of my life.

 

[Ubique]

I done this to a classic rangie i once owned..straight through pipe from a tweaked 3.9 and it had the same effect to our Lycra friends

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A 3.9? I bet after a bit of enthusiastic driving, the exhaust gases would've been hot enough to shrink-wrap the lycra onto them. Well played sir, well played!

 

[jerrytug]

With the older cars how many rebuilds will they need before they get anywhere near 100k miles?

My 30 year old Peugeot diesel has done 281,000 miles, zero rebuilds; just routine servicing.

 

[tom2207]

Love to be able to buy a new mid 90's 300Tdi Defender. With a little corrosion prevention it could last me the rest of my life.

how many do you want ,,, theres three in a barn near me at the moment , new galv chassis fitted and repaired and galved bulkheads , sitting waiting to be finished and painted ,,, they could be td5s or 200s or 300s , depends on who wants what . Or a series if you prefer ,,,, lol

 

[tom2207]

My 30 year old Peugeot diesel has done 281,000 miles, zero rebuilds; just routine servicing.

When I ran a Peugeot workshop many years ago , Peugeot wouldnt even log oil consumption issues till there was 10k on the clock as they didnt think the engine was even run in up to that point , ah the good old days.
Now cars use nearly as much oil as fuel , Audi spring to mind , 1mm thick rings and vertical bore honing , to reduce friction and thus improve efficiency, all leading to lower emission figures , ,, ah theres that emission thing again , 1/2 litre of oil to a tank of fuel is common , and not deemed as excessive makes me wonder about the whole industry really , then again with that going on what chance has the rest of the system in dealing with the oil vapour floating about , some of the new petrol engines are heading back to being almost two strokes , if this is technical advancement bring back steam.

 

[Bobupndown]

how many do you want ,,, theres three in a barn near me at the moment , new galv chassis fitted and repaired and galved bulkheads , sitting waiting to be finished and painted ,,,

I'm sure the selling price will reflect the current ridiculously inflated market. I've always wanted a defender but not so much that I'm going to pay through the nose to have one.

 

[colnerov]

When I ran a Peugeot workshop many years ago , Peugeot wouldnt even log oil consumption issues till there was 10k on the clock as they didnt think the engine was even run in up to that point , ah the good old days.
Now cars use nearly as much oil as fuel , Audi spring to mind , 1mm thick rings and vertical bore honing , to reduce friction and thus improve efficiency, all leading to lower emission figures , ,, ah theres that emission thing again , 1/2 litre of oil to a tank of fuel is common , and not deemed as excessive makes me wonder about the whole industry really , then again with that going on what chance has the rest of the system in dealing with the oil vapour floating about , some of the new petrol engines are heading back to being almost two strokes , if this is technical advancement bring back steam.

Hi, So total loss lubrication system? Back to the early days then? My step father always used to say "There's nothing new on cars" when manufacturers would come out with the 'latest innovation'.

Colin