When things were simpler but worked

[GraemeVW]

I remember my dad telling me he had a spare engine for his ford van in the 50's. When the running engine needed work he would swap the engine then overhaul the removed one and leave it in the garage ready for the next time.

Was common practice with ford sidevalves as they had white metal big ends cast directly into the rods. You got about 20,000 miles out of them, so a spare was kept and swapped in while the previous had them 're metaled.
I think the 100e range was when they changed to replaceable shells. I imagine his van was of the previous sit up and beg type.

 

[Bobupndown]

When I ran a Peugeot workshop many years ago , Peugeot wouldnt even log oil consumption issues till there was 10k on the clock as they didnt think the engine was even run in up to that point , ah the good old days.
Now cars use nearly as much oil as fuel , Audi spring to mind , 1mm thick rings and vertical bore honing , to reduce friction and thus improve efficiency, all leading to lower emission figures , ,, ah theres that emission thing again , 1/2 litre of oil to a tank of fuel is common , and not deemed as excessive makes me wonder about the whole industry really , then again with that going on what chance has the rest of the system in dealing with the oil vapour floating about , some of the new petrol engines are heading back to being almost two strokes , if this is technical advancement bring back steam.

Yep had several XUD Peugeot 405s in the 90s, in fact our family owned multiples of them, 106, 205s, 305, 405s all great cars and so simple and frugal

 

[Bobupndown]

1/2 litre of oil to a tank of fuel is common

Wow, I'm sure most pcp Audis don't have their bonnets opened from one service to the next too

 

[tom2207]

I'm sure the selling price will reflect the current ridiculously inflated market. I've always wanted a defender but not so much that I'm going to pay through the nose to have one.

Ive owned maybe twenty land rovers , at the time they were either tools to suit a task , or literally picked up out of the scrap pile , and driven today you couldnt give me one as many post here will reflect , but like I have said many times , I do make a lot of money from welding them for other people.

 

[Bobupndown]

I bought a 2004 Td5 Discovery 2 at 3 years old for £18k. Could have bought a same age Td5 110 Defender for the same price. Sold the Disco 11 years later for £3400. Defender would have increased in value over that time.

 

[tom2207]

Wow, I'm sure most pcp Audis don't have their bonnets opened from one service to the next too

or when the low oil light comes on , I was standing in a motor factors buying thinners or two stroke oil or the likes , and a woman with a wee white Audi a3 came in asking for some oil , as the light on her dash was flashing when she drove ,,, after adding a lot of oil to her fsi engine [ from memory ] and the light going out she said it had been like that for weeks but she hadnt had time to call in .

 

[tom2207]

I bought a 2004 Td5 Discovery 2 at 3 years old for £18k. Could have bought a same age Td5 110 Defender for the same price. Sold the Disco 11 years later for £3400. Defender would have increased in value over that time.

may have increased in price ,,, lol the '' value'' thing is a totally different conversation.

 

[redlig]

Yep had several XUD Peugeot 405s in the 90s, in fact our family owned multiples of them, 106, 205s, 305, 405s all great cars and so simple and frugal

SWMBO ran a 405 tdi estate . Managed 165000 miles before the electrics started playing up. Never went near a garage just oil, filter, belt and consumables. Went to P/.Ex. it and was asked for history . None ! offered £600.00 for it . I asked how much if it had a history? £800.00 . Quick calculation . " so I've saved approx £ 3000.00 plus" Cold stare from sales person. It never missed a beat.

 

[Cobbler]

I think the 100e range was when they changed to replaceable shells. I imagine his van was of the previous sit up and beg type.

The 100e was whitemetal bearings, as was the e93a before it. The e93a, you had to remove the valves & grind off a bit of the stem to adjust the tappets, the 100e was more modern, you had tappet adjusters on it! Adjusting tappets on a side valve was generally a pig of a job, working virtually stood on your head trying to get down the side of the engine.

 

[GraemeVW]

The 100e was whitemetal bearings, as was the e93a before it.

Oh really, I know a few things changed but thought they had replaceable shells. Maybe that wasn't untill the pre crossflow ones.

My experience is all with the earlier ones. I had a 1949 anglia that I decided I'd get as much power out of as possible. Got it to probably 45bhp! Cost a fair bit of money though. Always felt sorry for the white metal big ends! I drove it like I stole it too. Got 85mph out of it with bigger rear tyres.

 

[Cobbler]

Oh really, I know a few things changed but thought they had replaceable shells. Maybe that wasn't untill the pre crossflow ones.

My experience is all with the earlier ones. I had a 1949 anglia that I decided I'd get as much power out of as possible. Got it to probably 45bhp! Cost a fair bit of money though. Always felt sorry for the white metal big ends! I drove it like I stole it too. Got 85mph out of it with bigger rear tyres.

Graeme, it was standard practice to bore out the con rod & fit shells when being rebuilt from what I recall, maybe thats what you’ve seen. I knew someone that had several 100e’s & he used to cast the big ends using plumbers solder, seemed to work ok

 

[GraemeVW]

Graeme, it was standard practice to bore out the con rod & fit shells when being rebuilt from what I recall, maybe thats what you’ve seen. I knew someone that had several 100e’s & he used to cast the big ends using plumbers solder, seemed to work ok

Maybe, I know people used to do conversions.
It may be that you can convert 100e sidevalves, but not the earlier ones.
Or it may just be that if you were going to that effort, you may as well fit the later engine too (think oil filter gets in the way iirc though).
It was 15 years ago I was playing with them so have forgotten details.

 

[500e]

Those old Peugeot 404 405 were good, but rust if you did not clean under them, seats like an arm chair, my second hand 405 estate did over 500k with just a valve job it was driven hard. The previous 404 had 300k when sold seen 5 years later with near 650k the owners comment was uses a bit of oil

 

[Cobbler]

It was 15 years ago I was playing with them so have forgotten details.

It was 50 years for me! I had a Ford special with E93a running gear, but a 100e engine fitted, you have to modify the sump as far as I remember. I relieved the valve pockets & fitted an Aquaplane head on it, it went reasonably well, but was completely uncontrollable. Good fun though.

 

[500e]

Then there was the 107E with the ohv engine later type axle 4speed box, SIL had one in London till 2000 never got stolen

 

[GraemeVW]

It was 50 years for me! I had a Ford special with E93a running gear, but a 100e engine fitted, you have to modify the sump as far as I remember. I relieved the valve pockets & fitted an Aquaplane head on it, it went reasonably well, but was completely uncontrollable. Good fun though.

The engines are still raced I believe so a fair bit is available.
My anglia was a 10hp, so I skimmed the life out of an 8hp head (smaller combustion chambers) to up compression. You get higher compression than with the aquaplane heads. I then fitted the lumpiest cam available, adjustable lifters, competition clutch, radiusd the block to aid flow, aquaplane manifolds, twin su, electric fuel pump and a side exit exhaust.
Drove like a 1 litre mini so I assume about 45bhp. Went well. Bigger rear tyres to up the gearing, tube shocks on the front, reversed the front spring eyes to lower it a touch.
I daily drove that for a year before I sold it to by a mk2 zephyr estate! I put aquaplane triple su's on that but fuel consumption was ridiculous!
I did have a bellamy split front axle with 105e brakes, but never got round to fitting it.
Loved that anglia!

 

[tom2207]

The engines are still raced I believe so a fair bit is available.
My anglia was a 10hp, so I skimmed the life out of an 8hp head (smaller combustion chambers) to up compression. You get higher compression than with the aquaplane heads. I then fitted the lumpiest cam available, adjustable lifters, competition clutch, radiusd the block to aid flow, aquaplane manifolds, twin su, electric fuel pump and a side exit exhaust.
Drove like a 1 litre mini so I assume about 45bhp. Went well. Bigger rear tyres to up the gearing, tube shocks on the front, reversed the front spring eyes to lower it a touch.
I daily drove that for a year before I sold it to by a mk2 zephyr estate! I put aquaplane triple su's on that but fuel consumption was ridiculous!
I did have a bellamy split front axle with 105e brakes, but never got round to fitting it.
Loved that anglia!

Much further back than that , and you would have been feeding it hay ...

 

[Bornfree]

I bought a 2004 Td5 Discovery 2 at 3 years old for £18k. Could have bought a same age Td5 110 Defender for the same price. Sold the Disco 11 years later for £3400. Defender would have increased in value over that time.

But you would have spent £15k at the chiropractor

 

[redlig]

Can anyone imagine this thread in 50 years time?

I used an xyz123 chip in my plebmobile.

No they were crap ,only got 14 kilometres per megawatt . The tk7732 was much better.

Didnt have much luck with those, my plebmobile burned to a crisp

They were great if you increased the feed cable to a bsr 998/se .

And so on.

 

[Cobbler]

And will the kids of tomorrow listen & say hark at that 50kilowatt itchygoolie motor, they are the dogs danglies, far nicer than those 3 pole 25 kilowatt Chinese jobs & smell that hot wiring, not been the same though since they stopped adding lead to the electric