Towing over 3.5 ton

[printcom]

If I have been reading your posts right, you have C1 entitlement but C1E on provisional. If so, you will need to do a another driving test for C1E.

Not that I am aware of, I passed my test in 1980 ish. So grandfather right apply.

 

[carbon]

Re maintenance checks, I think it depends on what formal qualifications and equipment you have available. Workshop space may also be a requirement but I'm not sure. I was in 'invited' to attend a new operator seminar after a change from partnership to sole trader. Some that we're there weren't allowed to do there own maintenance but even if it's done by a main dealer and you're paying a big premium for the privilege it still comes down to you to check that the works done correctly.

 

[penfold]

According to government website my licence having been issued before a certain date entities me to 8250 kg in combination as long as I am within legal tow for my vehicle

No place have I found mention of use at work though I think there are then restrictions

Wondering who to phone now

DVSA probably, although getting a definitive answer may be tough.

 

[printcom]

All I can say after reading all of the R&R that go with this c**p is that a rocket scientist has nothing on anyone that understands it all

 

[the snooper]

DVSA probably, although getting a definitive answer may be tough.

they cant even get the data they hold right, peoples license missing catergorys when they get it back and so on

 

[Pete.]

The question is to their own jobs for themselves or to work they are carrying out for other people ?

It makes no difference. All that matters is that your job isn't to deliver the plant, but to take it and use it.

 

[printcom]

After a bit research you may have a point, it appears that I am restricted to 8.25 ton GVT unless I pass a test. Looks like the DVLA got it wrong when is says on their website under vehicles I can drive
Category C1E

• Description

You can drive vehicles between 3,500kg and 7,500kg carrying no more than 8 passengers and a driver with a trailer weighing more than 750kg and combined weight of vehicle and trailer can’t be over 12,000kg.

It would make for an interesting court case - but I'd rather not test it.

 

[Gritineye]

As i understand it you don't need a CPC if you occasionally drive a truck as part of you work but driving isn't your main occupation.

 

[Gritineye]

Vehicles carrying material or equipment to be used in the course of the driver’s work
You don’t need Driver CPC if you’re carrying equipment or material that you’ll use in the course of your work if driving the vehicle is not your main activity.

You also don’t need Driver CPC if you meet all of these conditions when driving professionally:

• the vehicle is being driven within a 62 mile (100km) radius of your base
• you’re the only person in the vehicle
• the goods or burden must only be equipment, including machinery, that is permanently fixed to your vehicle

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/driver-cpc-exemptions-examples

 

[Justme]

But then he needs an operator licence and HGV which he says will cost too much in his previous post.

He needs all that at over 3500kg inc the trailer anyway.

 

[Welderpaul]

Is it not just easier to hire in a beaver tail and driver to move it for you if it's just for the odd occasion?

 

[carbon]

I was also told at the seminar by the then vosa staff that if the vehicle isn't sign written then there was no need to have a driver cpc for my use, but if its sign written then I needed to have a driver cpc. Whilst I'm driving it carrying my own goods I'm not doing the driving for hire or reward, but the fact the sign writing informs people about what I do and provides a means of contacting me and purchasing good or services, some reward can be made. So however they have it written they will always find a way around it.

 

[Justme]

Seriously, tow whatever you need with an 'agricultural machine', it will solve most of your problems... Ford 7810 with a hot injection pump and big turbo, oversized tyres, job done...

Only if its for agricultural use.

Even just driving a tractor for non agricultural use needs a C licence (or C1 if its under 7500kg MAM), add a trailer & its CE/ C1E.

The cat F licence all car drivers gets is only for agricultural use tractors not any tractor even if they look/are the same.

 

[Justme]

So when I deliver work on my twin wheel trailer towed by my L200 pick up- I thought I was OK up to 30 miles radius?
I haven't taken a trailer test and I have no tachometer. I passed my test at a time I could drive 7 1/2 tonne and tow and have

Its now 100km radius.

Is the L200 a twin cab & have an unladen weight under 2040kg?

 

[Justme]

Not that I am aware of, I passed my test in 1980 ish. So grandfather right apply.

Only up to 8250kg

 

[printcom]

Only up to 8250kg

Yep. thats how I read it, I must have passed a test years ago that I have forgotten about as according to the dvla I am permitted to drive cat C1E Makes a change from them taking cats away.

 

[KimB]

Not read all the replies but don't buy a tractor and trailer. Couple firms were doing it and now been caught out by DVSA. If you get caught running a business with it trying to be smart they will have your pants down :O. Also one crashed recently killing a few people. I doubt it'll be long before the rules of it are changed again.

 

[Barking Mat]

If you have a 7.5 t lorry, they often unladen weigh in at 5 tonnes, if your train weight is 12t you can tow 7?
Just a thought

 

[the snooper]

Not read all the replies but don't buy a tractor and trailer. Couple firms were doing it and now been caught out by DVSA. If you get caught running a business with it trying to be smart they will have your pants down :O. Also one crashed recently killing a few people. I doubt it'll be long before the rules of it are changed again.

 

[addjunkie]

Nice o know they have made things clear with their changes!





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