The mind boggles

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

Please dont ever look at my welding (its on the forum somewhere)

My saving grace is that if my contraption collapses (the BBQ) the worst outcome will be no burgers

Plus another garden fire.

 

[AKN]

Correct. The driver should not be expected to be a structural engineer

What protection is there for a driver asked to move something that is obviously so structurally unsound, to anyone qualified or not, if they refused to take it?

 

[zzr1200]

"Plus another garden fire."


Plus BBQ'ed Lamb chops next door if the wind is in the right direction...

 

[Parm]

What protection is there for a driver asked to move something that is obviously so structurally unsound, to anyone qualified or not, if they refused to take it?

The driver always has the final say as its the drivers licence on the line

 

[zzr1200]

What protection is there for a driver asked to move something that is obviously so structurally unsound, to anyone qualified or not, if they refused to take it?

Depends if the driver works for a decent company who takes safety seriously or if the driver makes a phone call to the VOSA or the H&S executive to cover his Dearie Aire.....

 

[Maker]

My saving grace is that if my contraption collapses (the BBQ) the worst outcome will be no burgers

That would be a terrible outcome!

 

[Parm]

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how can you say that from a picture ,,, it may not be pretty but thats a different issue , 60 tons of steel wasnt cheap , so Ill bet some one with relevant qualifications or experience will have signed for it as ok.
Trouble is that on the internet every ones an expert.

Lets ignore the welding for a moment and focus on the plates that have buckled during the lift

You tell me if its acceptable for them to buckle like that ?

 

[Parm]

Given there was 60 tons sitting on those "supports", I don't think you have to be too expert to think those welds don't really look up to the job.

There are different sorts of experts

Some are experts in a trade, job, task or function

Then we have experts in creating challenge just because they can

 

[Parm]

That would be a terrible outcome!

Bloody nightmare

 

[Munkul]

It looks like someone has just said "put some belly slings around it, it will be OK"
Doesn't look like it's conformed to LOLER reg 4

Every employer shall ensure that –
(a) lifting equipment is of adequate strength and stability for each load, having regard in particular to the stress induced at its mounting or fixing point;
(b) every part of a load and anything attached to it and used in lifting it is of adequate strength.

 

[slim_boy_fat]

...My saving grace is that if my contraption collapses (the BBQ) the worst outcome will be no burgers

And possibly burned feet?

 

[Kram]

Don't care about at work we do structural work using 6013 .
It doesn't have even penetration on vertical up because it's cheap.
We also use Lastek 85 which claims to be like a 7018 but works like a 6013/308L electrodes
I've learned to just not care about

Your liable when it fails and kills somone?
Doing a good weld doesnt take any longer

 

[gaz1]

What protection is there for a driver asked to move something that is obviously so structurally unsound, to anyone qualified or not, if they refused to take it?

take photos nowadays as it gives you evidence

The driver always has the final say as its the drivers licence on the line

above is correct but you can be sacked for refusing to take a load

Depends if the driver works for a decent company who takes safety seriously or if the driver makes a phone call to the VOSA or the H&S executive to cover his Dearie Aire.....

send photos and record phone call with vosa and h&s if they still think its safe then its driver descreation if you take the load

if you refuse to take the load you can be sacked

dont forget its not there license its yours

 

[Parm]

take photos nowadays as it gives you evidence

above is correct but you can be sacked for refusing to take a load

send photos and record phone call with vosa and h&s if they still think its safe then its driver descreation if you take the load

if you refuse to take the load you can be sacked

dont forget its not there license its yours

Perhaps but its not correct.

If that the attitude of the organisation you work for then questions need to be asked

 

[not done it yet]

While that/those welds do not appear to be “the best” by any means, we do not know whether they are at all load bearing. I would expect those parts are ‘add-ons’ and not actually needed, or only marginally when the item, whatever it is, is in operation. Haulage is different altogether. We would expect the main structure is welded by a coded welder?

As all of us are armchair posters for this particular example, the real decisions should be left to the experts on site.

A 60 tonne load is not going to be travelling at high speed.

 

[bricol]

It looks like someone has just said "put some belly slings around it, it will be OK"
Doesn't look like it's conformed to LOLER reg 4

Unless you step back, look at the drawings, and realise (there aren't any ) either the verbal instruction to "lift here" took no notice of where it said to lift on the drawing, or it wasn't thought about, either because it wasn't to be lifted, or they forgot.

I may have forgotten a couple of times very early in my engineering career to consider how to get the machine on the lorry . . . frantic welding of lifting points and a quick splash of paint as the driver waited to load . . . I don't tend to forget these days

 

[mtt.tr]

Your looking at the slag not the weld there

Steady on old boy

 

[mtt.tr]

Can't see you get sacked, unfortunately you would be deemed to awkward to employ

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

And possibly burned feet?

Good time to remove the webbing between the toes of the locals.

 

[tom2207]

Lets ignore the welding for a moment and focus on the plates that have buckled during the lift

You tell me if its acceptable for them to buckle like that ?

its certainly not an accident .