Overflowing! advice needed

[gaz1]

hey most dont want to pay the price

tough luck in my eyes enjoy your coated floor

have blue die down your pan and it stains the floor

 

[Kram]

We dont and without an outside tap no sensible way to run one. I did try one once fron the bathroom, for the car. The tap adaptor popped off and soaked the floor Bad idea when the hose is going 2m uphill and quite a length.

The bog has been flushing ok for the last few days but I know its not fixed. I had a closer look - I really do not want the house to be knee deep in turds after the amount of effort I put in decorating.

Access cover open, initially it looks quite discusting - lots of long black hair all the way up. Has someone tried to flush Rapunzel? But the two pipes frlm next door, the outlet and our kitchen pipe look clear. Ran the tap and flushed the downstairs loo. Took a good 30 seconds for it to bubble out of a mass of black sht and hair? I assume its hair.. cant be mine as my longest hairs are up my nose! The black mass was hiding our houses main outlet pipe from being visible. Im reasonably sure the pipes will be flowing free enough its just where it meets the access and turns 90 degrees.

Now thanks to @gaz1 's videos I think its an easy fix. A long stick to poke it free and a big bucket of water aimed at that mass should send it away, followed by a tons more water.
Also from the videos, more times than not, even the professionals manage to get a face full of poo when using the jet wash. No, could not pay me enough to use one on a drain!

Should I post the photo?

 

[Misterg]

lots of long black hair all the way up.

Tree roots?

 

[Kram]

Yes I think so Theres a birch tree 10 meters to the right and there used to be a bush next to drain.

 

[gaz1]

Access cover open, initially it looks quite discusting - lots of long black hair all the way up. Has someone tried to flush Rapunzel? But the two pipes frlm next door, the outlet and our kitchen pipe look clear. Ran the tap and flushed the downstairs loo. Took a good 30 seconds for it to bubble out of a mass of black sht and hair? I assume its hair.. cant be mine as my longest hairs are up my nose! The black mass was hiding our houses main outlet pipe from being visible. Im reasonably sure the pipes will be flowing free enough its just where it meets the access and turns 90 degrees.

Now thanks to @gaz1 's videos I think its an easy fix. A long stick to poke it free and a big bucket of water aimed at that mass should send it away, followed by a tons more water.
Also from the videos, more times than not, even the professionals manage to get a face full of poo when using the jet wash. No, could not pay me enough to use one on a drain!

Should I post the photo?

video would be better

just dont smell its hard enough blocking that smell a mask would help but if it gets splated you will regret it

dont have gob open when pushing it in that sludge if it splashes up your gonna get a mouthful



try freeing the end where it goes down to main sewer first with some water once its free add more water so it begins to flush it down

just class it as mud but you dont want to be ramming it more so when you get a liquid its free it and break it up

 

[Kram]

video would be better

The main sewer end is clear and flowing dry.
Going to use up my remaining 1kg of caustic let that sit in the blocked pipe for an hour or so before we start. Trench spade to shift the solids to the outlet and big buckets of water to flush it all on. Telescopic loppers to clear any root bits. Lastly, flushing of loo's until its all clear.

Question is, which way has that bigger root grown, left to right but I cant see the left end.

Just realised I havent watched any of their videos about roots.. so off to watch some now.

 

[knighty]

you need to get someone in with a camera to stuck up/down the drain and have a look

then when you find where the drain is broken it needs digging out and fixing :-(


it'll be a broken drain leaking water which has attracted the roots

 

[Bravheart]

Rodding is good for short straight lengths, say 50' max after that proper drain cleaning jet wash. If you rod DO NOT under any circumstance use the rubber disk - they jam on pipe branches and will cause you more problems. Rod from down stream so you are pulling back towards you. I used to find the hinged D scraper best, but be warned they can catch on joints.
Either way you need to work from access chamber to access chamber.

Just scanned through this thread and it may have been pointed out already so apologies but-
You are using the round disc mentioned above the wrong way. They are for suction from above and don't need to be in the blockage but fill pipe with liquid, not for pushing. Use from behind the blockage and in a pumping back and forth motion they are brilliant. Sucking a bit of "material in liquid " back up the pipe with a pumping motion (similar to a sink unblocker) will release most blockages. The vacuum/surge motion will move most stuff just hang on REALLY REALLY tight to the rod when the blockage moves because the suction will take the rod away as well.

 

[Kram]

you need to get someone in with a camera to stuck up/down the drain and have a look

then when you find where the drain is broken it needs digging out and fixing :-(


it'll be a broken drain leaking water which has attracted the roots

When I read this last night, its the thing of nightmares! Did not sleep I was watching tree root unblocking videos!

Thats what it looked like, a root coming out of our house pipe into the access chamber.

I put my caustic down then let it sit couple of hours before starting with the spade. The root bundle moved easily and was coming from the top right corner of the access hole.

The solids then came out and for few minutes started to block the outlet and I through we might be in trouble, as it rose a few inches above the inlets. Put a lot of water down, run the taps and flushed the loos. Eventually the pressure built and flowed away!
It was very difficult to scoop up the roots, used the branch lopper to pull it out and there was a big risk of it cutting and splashing back down! About 5 kg of turd roots, likely from next doors bush.

This is the result!

 

[Cobbler]

You’ve done a good job there Kram, I can’t say I want to put a ‘like’ against it though, we need a YUK one

 

[knighty]

you could get yourself a cheap USB drain camera on ebay to have a look yourself... I bought one years ago and it was rubbish... but that was years ago so I expect they'll be much better by now

the drain must be broken somewhere to let the routs in, so this will just happen again sooner or later - at least if you find the problem you can plan to sort it when it suits you instead of when it blocks solid at an inconvenient time and all needs digging out to fix properly :-o

 

[Kram]

Turd! We have a problem. The kitchen drain overflowing into the garden. This can not be good!

At the time I was using angle grinder and I immediately was hoping a hole in a nearby bucket but the smell told me it was not!

I have just lifted the main sewer cover and its 3/4 full of assorted turds!

Stired it with the green broom handle. Cant feel any roots or anything blocking the outlet, whatever problem looks to be further up.

Here is a map

We are green house, note that our sewer has a pipe from the access chamber to the main sewer.
The white house and yellow have chambers inline with the main sewer and white seems to have a lot of problems. The yellow house has apparently built decking over their access chamber and is refusing to allow anyone access to it.

 

[Jaeger_S2k]

You've disturbed the drain folk, they're rebelling.

It was very difficult to scoop up the roots, used the branch lopper to pull it out and there was a big risk of it cutting and splashing back down! About 5 kg of turd roots, likely from next doors bush.

If that's from next doors bush, she needs a doctor

 

[Brad93]

This has probably built up from last time you cleared it kram.

If it's a main sewer for more than one premises get your water utility out.

If it's all your own pipes before it's got to the main sewer, then ring up a jetting/inspection company. You'll find there's a hole somewhere no doubt.

and chop down whatever tree/bush is causing the roots

 

[Kram]

This has probably built up from last time you cleared it kram.

It was fully clear in June, so 6 months ago, quite sure its not roots as theres no significant trees between my house and the end house of the row.

The access point is shared with neighbour, so we have reported it to Thames. The website says upto 3 days for somone to come out

 

[gaz1]

have a latte handy ?

screw 2 long screws in the wood all the way through and send that down the drain as its the kitchen drain

screw it around a few times and if its just fat in the gulley it may clear it kitchen sink to drain usually catches that fat the most same as the shower does

look for your manhole cover most houses have them and check in there

if its backing up in there then theres an issue with the main drains being blocked

as goes for the one refusing not much you can do about them just hope one day they will have a massive issue to deal with and when drain people come round tell them to get off your property and look in there own drains as i do and tell them where it is

then its there problem not yours

 

[Erie Fred]

I thought sending turds to the garden was the green & organic thing to do ?

 

[voipio]

Night soil

 

[Kram]

have a latte handy ?

screw 2 long screws in the wood all the way through and send that down the drain as its the kitchen drain

screw it around a few times and if its just fat in the gulley it may clear it kitchen sink to drain usually catches that fat the most same as the shower does

look for your manhole cover most houses have them and check in there

if its backing up in there then theres an issue with the main drains being blocked

as goes for the one refusing not much you can do about them just hope one day they will have a massive issue to deal with and when drain people come round tell them to get off your property and look in there own drains as i do and tell them where it is

then its there problem not yours

Yes I used a old bayleaf trunk as a plunger in the kitchen drain and there was a bar-of-soap-sized fatberg came free. Its now about the same level as the main access chamber level.

The end house are apparently sueing them or going through the courts to get access.

 

[minimutly]

beaware thats not always true

ive known the ones in a row to all foot the bill until it leaves the last propertys land and connects to the main drain

your responsible up to the join at the manhole, there responsible up to the manhole, your both responsible until it leaves your poperty

well this is wrong. absolutely wrong (unless the water undertakers rules are different in England to the rules in Wales)...
IF you have your own sewer (ie not shared with a second bill paying tenant), then you are responsible all the way to the pavement, or highway if there isn't one.
IF you have a shared sewer - two houses or more, flats etc), then you are only liable to where the two meet, the water company is liable from there on and must come out to fix it.
Simples.