Where's the yawn emoticon when you need it?
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The price will make or break it, so long as they dont fill it with electronic gizmos that will esculate repair bills.
Personally speaking as a company they have been far far too slow behind the market of the work offroader. World wide the utility vehicle market is huge. And most dont want to have to plug it into a pc every 5 minutes
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I still think this is extreme, even among Land Rover people the TD5 is considered too electrical and complicated, but it isn’t. It’s well proven and like anything (ab)used daily if it’s looked after it will last
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i was suggesting not so much the TD5 but all the more fancy stuff discos and rangerovers have, most normal pick ups dont have.
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I love tech I'm a total geek and have been stuck with purchasing the Discovery over and over again as there was no other option that gave us the comfort we wanted with practicality. For my current I ticked every single option on the order form and its still not enough. You can do tech but in a retro/utilitarian style and thats what I hope the Defender delivers, the Discovery 5 was a big fail in this area for us and left a clear gap in the LR lineup ripe for the Defender. If you can get a fully loaded LWB HSE Defender with a decent engine for say £60k they will sell a lot, I'd be happy 
I think they will start at 40k for the commercial variants.
I think they will start at 40k for the commercial variants.
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That looks awfully complex for what is a commercial vehicle. I can't see the third world mechanic sorting that with a hammer & a screwdriver unless they are planning a "cooking" version for these markets
I think we all need to be 100% clear they are not going to produce a Defender that can be fixed by a bush mechanic in the Sahara. It is going to space age compared to the 1980s 90/110.
Defenders have had electronics for 20 years now, it's not a new thing.
I suspect the biggest issue will be where they want the vehicle to sit within the brand hierarchy. That is part of the reason why they never fitted a sensible sized diesel in the later years, there was a 3.2TDCI available but they went with 2.4 then 2.2. If they had built a 3.2TDCI with an auto box they would have sold like hot cakes but that would have eaten into the Discovery brand.
They have clearly dropped the ball with the D5, it's not a valid replacement for the D3/D4. People new to the brand love them but a huge percentage of D3/D4 owners don't.Fair play they've managed to make it smaller,less practical and 1.5 times as much money whilst retaining none of it's original character
Where I live Land Rovers are everywhere, our road is on the test route for the taster days for new vehicles. Locally there are loads of D3/D4 but D5 are very scarce. I don't know a single D5 owner. Cayenne Turbo are almost common in comparison.
I hope the new Defender is suitable for the people who have relied on/bought them for decades IE farmers and utility companies. I'm not convinced this will be the case though
Defenders have had electronics for 20 years now, it's not a new thing.
I suspect the biggest issue will be where they want the vehicle to sit within the brand hierarchy. That is part of the reason why they never fitted a sensible sized diesel in the later years, there was a 3.2TDCI available but they went with 2.4 then 2.2. If they had built a 3.2TDCI with an auto box they would have sold like hot cakes but that would have eaten into the Discovery brand.
They have clearly dropped the ball with the D5, it's not a valid replacement for the D3/D4. People new to the brand love them but a huge percentage of D3/D4 owners don't.Fair play they've managed to make it smaller,less practical and 1.5 times as much money whilst retaining none of it's original character
Where I live Land Rovers are everywhere, our road is on the test route for the taster days for new vehicles. Locally there are loads of D3/D4 but D5 are very scarce. I don't know a single D5 owner. Cayenne Turbo are almost common in comparison.
I hope the new Defender is suitable for the people who have relied on/bought them for decades IE farmers and utility companies. I'm not convinced this will be the case though
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Yeah I agree, They've gone down the overpriced chelsea tractor road. Hopefully they've sorted out the Landrover rust problemI think we all need to be 100% clear they are not going to produce a Defender that can be fixed by a bush mechanic in the Sahara. It is going to space age compared to the 1980s 90/110.
Defenders have had electronics for 20 years now, it's not a new thing.
I suspect the biggest issue will be where they want the vehicle to sit within the brand hierarchy. That is part of the reason why they never fitted a sensible sized diesel in the later years, there was a 3.2TDCI available but they went with 2.4 then 2.2. If they had built a 3.2TDCI with an auto box they would have sold like hot cakes but that would have eaten into the Discovery brand.
They have clearly dropped the ball with the D5, it's not a valid replacement for the D3/D4. People new to the brand love them but a huge percentage of D3/D4 owners don't.Fair play they've managed to make it smaller,less practical and 1.5 times as much money whilst retaining none of it's original character
Where I live Land Rovers are everywhere, our road is on the test route for the taster days for new vehicles. Locally there are loads of D3/D4 but D5 are very scarce. I don't know a single D5 owner. Cayenne Turbo are almost common in comparison.
I hope the new Defender is suitable for the people who have relied on them for decades IE farmers and utility companies. I'm not convinced this will be the case though
If you can get a fully loaded LWB HSE Defender with a decent engine for say £60k they will sell a lot, I'd be happy
Great.
This will be one of the exact things that won’t make it a defender. Well out of the price range of normal man, especially those who have to pay 20% extra.May as well face it. The Defender died in 2015. The new creation might be Defender in name only. Better to call it Pretender perhaps....
Anyway, I guess I can’t talk. I drive a 29 year old 110 so I’ve never owned a Defender.
Great.
May as well face it. The Defender died in 2015. The new creation might be Defender in name only. Better to call it Pretender perhaps....
Anyway, I guess I can’t talk. I drive a 29 year old 110 so I’ve never owned a Defender.
I understand the sentiment but even the last few years of Defenders have been out of the range of the person who just wanted one to potter around in.
We seem to get forgetting what Land Rover are, they are not owned by the government they are a business trying to make a profit. Unless the the government brings in "Affordable cars" scheme where manufactures only allowed to make cars if they produce 10% that are affordable it isn't going to change.
When your 110 was new it probably well over the price of a normal car, everything are discussing here is speculation as nobody know the pricing structure. Even you standard run of the mill Mondeo/Insignia is £20-25K these days.
There are certain Defenders that seem to hold premiums and if you bought a TD5 Double cab around 2001 you could haven driven it for 10 years and still got more than 50% of you outlay back, I doubt there was another car out like that which in hindsight made it very affordable.
Working with this mind set I guess should really start aiming criticism at other companies, there are many others that don't produce anything that the normal person can justify.
I certainly won't be buying one, whilst I'm sure with a big monthly payment I could get one if it meant that much to me. It doesn't, we already have 9 Land Rovers and I would rather that money went into paying off my mortgage.
I could sit here and list dozens of examples of things an average person can't buy any more.
I pretty much agree. I don’t think the new ‘Defender’ will be aimed at the traditional market at all (the last two + years of production weren’t really either). They’ve moved away from that hence the likely bling, unnecessary electickery and price tag (of course, I’m just speculating). So I just wish they’d call it the Discovery Inferior or something other than Defender.
If they price it at £40k plus for basic models, then add on VAT to that then I do think it’s a few scales above the range my old 110 would have been in new.
I saw a fully kitted Evoque in the dealer and it was £55k, yet people are still buying them.
I am excited to see the new Defender, I think if they really had eyes on that commercial/utility market it would have been here sooner. The fact there has been such delay makes me think it won't be for that market. Those people never bought them because they were fast,comfortable,economical they bought them because of the 4x4 load carrying capability. When the Western Power guys were in our field they had 4 110s, a Unimog and a Fastrac with a Hiab. Was chatter to one of the guy and he said the went to pickups which said were nicer to drive but they were snapping the axles
Often I don't like new Land Rover products but a few months later I find myself admitting that they "got it right", no matter how many times I look at a D5 that hasn't happened and I'm hoping the new Defender is a grower
I am excited to see the new Defender, I think if they really had eyes on that commercial/utility market it would have been here sooner. The fact there has been such delay makes me think it won't be for that market. Those people never bought them because they were fast,comfortable,economical they bought them because of the 4x4 load carrying capability. When the Western Power guys were in our field they had 4 110s, a Unimog and a Fastrac with a Hiab. Was chatter to one of the guy and he said the went to pickups which said were nicer to drive but they were snapping the axles
Often I don't like new Land Rover products but a few months later I find myself admitting that they "got it right", no matter how many times I look at a D5 that hasn't happened and I'm hoping the new Defender is a grower
The D5 rear end was a huge fail for us, it’s like the opposite of a tardis, on paper the volume is bigger than the d4 but only if you measure it with gas the practical space is highly restrictive by comparison. The tailgate is another issue especially as I use the through load on the d4 a lot for transporting steel which can’t be done legally with a d5. Other than that I like it upfront although we have a ffrr too at the moment and when front on my parents confused the test d5 for another RR which does say something.
Price wise no getting around it it will be expensive compared to the previous. I was thinking last night I bought my first D3 when they came out for a little over £30k, my current d4 listed at £66k on the order sheet before I started haggling and probably 95% of it is the same as the original !
Price wise no getting around it it will be expensive compared to the previous. I was thinking last night I bought my first D3 when they came out for a little over £30k, my current d4 listed at £66k on the order sheet before I started haggling and probably 95% of it is the same as the original !
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if you want to know what the next defender will be
Do the following
Look at the price and size of a defender new and compare it to something like a mini countryman
Almost identical
You are going to be getting some rehashed FWD platform with plastic bits thrown at it which is perfectly suited to the defenders marketplace
Yummy mums in central London
Do the following
Look at the price and size of a defender new and compare it to something like a mini countryman
Almost identical
You are going to be getting some rehashed FWD platform with plastic bits thrown at it which is perfectly suited to the defenders marketplace
Yummy mums in central London
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Apparently the announcement of the new defender is 8pm this evening.
H&S chose this time in the hope that people will be sat on the sofa so they won't fall of their chair laughing and hurt themselves when another overpriced Chelsea tractor is announced,
H&S chose this time in the hope that people will be sat on the sofa so they won't fall of their chair laughing and hurt themselves when another overpriced Chelsea tractor is announced,
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There will probably be an e-mail about it when I get into work, they usually have a link so we can watch it and I just happen to be on the right shift for a change
