Machines and garden paths

[8ob]

Its a shame you cant con convince someone with a hiab truck to drop them over the gate, looks reasonably flat once you get through the gate.

Bob

 

[James1979]

If you can rent a toe jack it’ll be handy.

Take it slow. Think before you act and small steps.

Lift things as high as necessary, as low as possible.

Stand uphill / up slope of things and do not try to catch it if it goes.

when I started out in industry lifting things, the chief engineer said “don’t poke your fingers where you wouldn’t stick your ****” stuck with me that one.

 

[GraemeVW]

Its a shame you cant con convince someone with a hiab truck to drop them over the gate, looks reasonably flat once you get through the gate.

Bob

It's a possibility.
A friend keeps buying trains so has a good hiab connection. Not sure what he would charge, I'll find out.
It hadn't really crossed my mind before this thread that it was an option.

The other side should be easy but even if it isn't, I can take my time, cover the machine if I stop, and it's behind a locked gate, so would be relatively stress free.

 

[brightspark]

a few 13 foot scaffie planks layed on the deck 4 scaffie rollers and a couple of planks under the machine and rollers placed in between and a good crowbar to shove it

 

[Pete.]

Those 4 wheel trolleys are handy but I wouldn't put a machine tool on one. They are high and have inflatable tyres. te worst thing though is they tip over if you turn the handle too far.

 

[gaz1]

Rip a sheet of 18mm ply in two, put your machine on a pallet truck and pull the pallet truck along the ply with a tirfor. Only lift the pallet high enough to allow it to move.

I would be more concerned with a slope causing it to topple sideways,the up bit just means a bit more heaving required. Steel on steel slides well, or conduit cut up to roll it on.
You can always strip most of the bits off too make it easier (guards, handwheels etc)

too much of a slope upwards and sideways

it would be far better if you could shove some hardcore or built up framing 6x2s thats packed

wheel off the side of the tail lift straight onto the 6x2s and roll it

4x 6x2s should hold a scaffold bar rolling reference under the lathe

 

[Pete.]

Nothing difficult about that small slope. I guess it's what you're used to that counts.

 

[GraemeVW]

At a guess, id say the slope is maybe 1 in 4.5.

 

[GraemeVW]

too much of a slope upwards and sideways

it would be far better if you could shove some hardcore or built up framing 6x2s thats packed

wheel off the side of the tail lift straight onto the 6x2s and roll it

4x 6x2s should hold a scaffold bar rolling reference under the lathe

Building a ramp of 4 6x2, properly packed of the ground wouldn't be the end of the world.
If it came to it, I'd rather that than have no bigger lathe.

 

[Ubique]

@GraemeVW a quick question if I may, is your workshop single skin or double skin? if it's single skin, do you have any problems with moisture transfer through it?

WRT your problem, I'd build a ramp, put the lathe on a frame and use a Tirfor and ground anchor to move it, to give you control. Pushing & pulling by hand isn't a great method where control is needed as you need to put in the initial force to break the friction and then keep it going at a lower level - not something the human body is great at.

 

[James1979]

@GraemeVW a quick question if I may, is your workshop single skin or double skin? if it's single skin, do you have any problems with moisture transfer through it?

WRT your problem, I'd build a ramp, put the lathe on a frame and use a Tirfor and ground anchor to move it, to give you control. Pushing & pulling by hand isn't a great method where control is needed as you need to put in the initial force to break the friction and then keep it going at a lower level - not something the human body is great at.

Grease.

The vikings used seaweed between wood bearers and their boats to minimise friction.

 

[awemawson]

You can always make a construction like the attached picture where I am pushing a few tons of generator into an awkward corner

 

[GraemeVW]

@GraemeVW a quick question if I may, is your workshop single skin or double skin? if it's single skin, do you have any problems with moisture transfer through it?

WRT your problem, I'd build a ramp, put the lathe on a frame and use a Tirfor and ground anchor to move it, to give you control. Pushing & pulling by hand isn't a great method where control is needed as you need to put in the initial force to break the friction and then keep it going at a lower level - not something the human body is great at.

It's single skin. Walls aren't insulated.
Felt/timber flat roof that is insulated (although hasn't been for 6 years).
Floor has dpm.
Bottom 4' of the walls is below the garden level. No damp proof between walls and soil either, just damp paint on the lower inside walls. This was the first (only) building I've built so could have been better.

However, I have absolutely no damp issues at all. None! Bare steel doesn't rust. All my tools, machines and motorbikes are in exactly the same condition as when I put them in it 8 years ago.

I have no idea why I have no damp issues, I should have!
Even paper left on the concrete floor doesn't show any damp, even if left for months, even over winter!

Odd, but I'm not complaining!

Oh, there is NO ventilation either, apart from the window vents, and the log burner flue. I don't use the burner often though, mainly as it was still too cold in winter as it takes so long to heat up.
I have now insulated the roof though, and properly draft sealed the doors, so hopefully this winter I'll be out there more.

 

[GraemeVW]

You can always make a construction like the attached picture where I am pushing a few tons of generator into an awkward corner

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If i was going to make a trolley, it would be with a low slung chassis like that, rather than above the wheels.

I might gather some stuff, get a pallet, put all the old lumps of concrete I have on it, then practice moving it about.

 

[GraemeVW]

Grease.

The vikings used seaweed between wood bearers and their boats to minimise friction.

I live about as far from the sea as you can get in England though (insert laughing emoji)

 

[zzr1200]

I take it your location is mis-typed and your live in/around the Chesterfield area.

I have lever chain blocks, pallet truck, electric winch, lifting straps, ratchet straps, plus other equipment.

Now if you want a hand to move a lathe or milling machine.

PM me with your contact details.

Up to you...

 

[gaz1]

also you can step lift

with 4x2s

 

[GraemeVW]

I take it your location is mis-typed and your live in/around the Chesterfield area.

I have lever chain blocks, pallet truck, electric winch, lifting straps, ratchet straps, plus other equipment.

Now if you want a hand to move a lathe or milling machine.

PM me with your contact details.

Up to you...

You are correct. I hadn't noticed id typed it wrong!

That is a great offer, thanks. I may well take you up on that. I've been toying with this on and off for quite a while but not taken the plunge yet. Missed 2 perfect lathes too, one was too far, the other I thought would go for more money (went stupid cheap!)
But you never know when something will turn up.

If your ever moving something heavy, let me know. I'd gladly come and lend a hand so I can get a feel for the processes. What id learn would be invaluable, and I like a bit of a challenge!

 

[GraemeVW]

also you can step lift

with 4x2s

I need to get him round!

 

[zzr1200]

If you want to discuss moving machines you could come over to my workshop and have a chat/look.

PS. Where were the missed lathes???