Damn! That's another one of my projects killed stone dead.
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Damn! That's another one of my projects killed stone dead.
Not so stupid when you do a bit of research and discover how many people have been damaged or killed because the heating device or flues which were not installed to a safe standard i.e. a carbon dioxide emission, flues ten inches from a bathroom or bedroom window or a flue 12 inches below a plastic roof line .
Not to mention the numbers of fires caused.
My own experience in 1982 in a council house was discovering a coal fired fireplace was fitted with a gas fire , the back plate was sealed with gas tape and was not swept or lined before the gas installation .
The fireplace had been bleached and the room repainted and the fire was in place when we moved in .
We moved in ( no certificates in those days ) and as it was cold left the fire on low all night . which resulted in my wife & I suffering blinding headache the next morning as our bedroom door was open and opened to the stair /landing area . Thank god our 7 yr old daughter had a bed room at the end of a long L shape and had her door closed or we could well have been minus a daughter or had a very damaged one.
Another near escape was in 2007 when we had a Warmer Home contractor ( Will- more-Wills ) put in a grant funded balanced flue oil fired boiler heating system to our bungalow here in Wales .
The barely 20 yrs old pair of guys who fitted the flue failed to ensure the boiler to flue inner stainless flue pipe was fireproof cemented in at the collar . Likely before the flue was secured in the roof void , so the un cured seal was disturbed when they tried to secure it to the roof trusses and put the final pipe work in through the roof . Result three weeks after commissioning , I discovered dark sooty marks on some towels adjacent to the flue pipe .
Further investigation showed hot flue gases coming out the area when the boiler was on and into the airing cupboard .
It didn't trigger the Co2 or smoke alarm but did explain our headaches . All hell was let lose for I complained to the ombudsman , sent emailed photos and pictures of a local certified oil boilerman doing emergency repairs . After several official government officials visiting the whole system was gone through with a fine comb . A lot of work was done to check the supposedly certified installers work and numerous adjustment/re work was done then reinspected by an independent government supplied inspector .
The bovine female at Will-More-Wills said to me when I complained about the flue gas problem , " Well it's not as if you paid for the installation " and hung up .
SO those ball ache standards to be met /complied with are life savers . Unfortunately the only way to try and get compliance is to regulate such regulations by having people who pass tests & take refresher courses wrt the design & installing etc.
Yes some people will cheat and do bum jobs but the likelihood of a manslaughter case from their neglect years down the line does tend to focus minds and ensure many will comply . These days legislated sales / safety certification compliance documents have certainly reduced all manner of problems but again some people will cheat and hopefully get caught out before people die as a result of their acts & omissions .
It's great to hear of someone having their coal /wood chimney swept & checked over every year . A lot of people don't do it and if a fire results and they cannot give proof of a proper sweep cleaning it in the previous years the insurers will say the insurance is invalid ..but then lots of people don't have insurances for their home or cars etc.
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I found this enjoyable to watch, and some of you probably will also..
Trouble is the bodge crews breed , so there will never ever be a shortage of them .fair commentbut as soon as all the bodger crew have burnt themselves to a crisp or turned there lips blue that leaves the clever ones to be left alone and crack on living our lives
It often seems they tend to increase as the level of child benefit expands to cover more than two kids & the economy tanks .Bobtail4x4
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and as long as people go for the cheap quote, they will end up working on other peoples houses,Trouble is the bodge crews breed , so there will never ever be a shortage of them .
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Youcre not considering the flip side though. Tradesman like you are what we hope to have, turning up at our doorsteps. It's the other type which these rules need to be inplace for, however.
Similar to H&S. We on here tend to find a lot of it a bind, & blindingly obvious. It's put in place for those who need protecting from themselves, however, so it's something we must all endure.
It is for good reason most of these rules & regs exist.
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Well, its my month for acquiring multi fuel stoves. This time, an old surplus army stove and related cook ware. The stove is built like a tank, and can use diesel fuel as well. I don't need another stove, but my birthday is coming up soon an even though I don't celebrate it, I think that's reason enough.
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