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This was me moving an M300
Skates are homemade on large castors, lifted lathe onto the skates with an engine crane.
Came from a school so skates allowed me to push it from the DT workshop, through the school, down the ramp to the trailer.
Engine crane to lift it up in the air and then reverse the trailer underneath
Strap down and drive home
This was the 4th M300 I had shifted
Skates are homemade on large castors, lifted lathe onto the skates with an engine crane.
Came from a school so skates allowed me to push it from the DT workshop, through the school, down the ramp to the trailer.
Engine crane to lift it up in the air and then reverse the trailer underneath
Strap down and drive home
This was the 4th M300 I had shifted
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On a rather smaller scale, putting a Boxford shaper onto a motorbike trailer is much aided by removing the trailer wheels and keeping it hitched to the car - it becomes its own tilt bed.
Yes, it takes time to remove the wheels (or deflate the tyres), jack it up afterwards and reinstall, but the equipment required for this is more likely to be on hand. You can exchange time and brains for lifting equipment.
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This is the shifting method we used getting my old Colchester Triumph loaded when I discovered we couldn't get the HIAB truck all the way down my driveway.
Looks a bit precarious, but the lathe couldn't go over with the engine crane being attached at spindle height. BTW, delivery to the buyer was £1 per mile on a 200 mile round trip, so worked out at £50 per hour -but this was really a 'mates rate' from the trucker who I occasionally do machining/engineering stuff for.
Looks a bit precarious, but the lathe couldn't go over with the engine crane being attached at spindle height. BTW, delivery to the buyer was £1 per mile on a 200 mile round trip, so worked out at £50 per hour -but this was really a 'mates rate' from the trucker who I occasionally do machining/engineering stuff for.
That looks to have a strop around the spindle. You only need to put the slightest bend in the spindle to create a problem that can be very expensive to put right. I learned this from bitter experience!
I've shifted dozens of lathes single handed. A toe jack (if you have one) to lift onto dollies can be easier than an engine crane, if the base of the lathe lends itself to it. I do have a homemade gizmo, 2 pallet truck wheels on axles welded to a piece of angle with threaded rod joining them. Lift the lathe onto these and tighten the rod to secure. A steerable dolly under the other end and you can move a very heavy machine on a smooth surface single handed. (I learned this from you tube, but can't find the video now). It's a lot safer and easier with two people, particularly when it comes to winching onto a trailer, but it can be done. It has the advantage of having a wider footprint than skates, as well as much bigger wheels than dollies, whist still keeping the CoG low.
quick edit, lathe dollies as described above, here;
I've shifted dozens of lathes single handed. A toe jack (if you have one) to lift onto dollies can be easier than an engine crane, if the base of the lathe lends itself to it. I do have a homemade gizmo, 2 pallet truck wheels on axles welded to a piece of angle with threaded rod joining them. Lift the lathe onto these and tighten the rod to secure. A steerable dolly under the other end and you can move a very heavy machine on a smooth surface single handed. (I learned this from you tube, but can't find the video now). It's a lot safer and easier with two people, particularly when it comes to winching onto a trailer, but it can be done. It has the advantage of having a wider footprint than skates, as well as much bigger wheels than dollies, whist still keeping the CoG low.
quick edit, lathe dollies as described above, here;
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I got him to move a lathe I bought from "darn south" up to north Yorkshire, as you say great bloke knows what he's doing.
Well, it looks like we're going for a Colchester Student Mk1.
Is there anybody local-ish to me (Cowbridge, South Wales) who has the lifting/ transport kit and know-how to collect it (about 650kg and 5' long) from north of Bridgend (Bettws) to Cowbridge for a reasonable price? It's in a garage with fairly easy access, and going into the same in Cowbridge. It's about a 30 minute drive in a car.
Chris
Is there anybody local-ish to me (Cowbridge, South Wales) who has the lifting/ transport kit and know-how to collect it (about 650kg and 5' long) from north of Bridgend (Bettws) to Cowbridge for a reasonable price? It's in a garage with fairly easy access, and going into the same in Cowbridge. It's about a 30 minute drive in a car.
Chris
Yeah, that was very reasonable! Same lathe moved easily with a strop around the bed to an engine hoist and an old M&S dolley at the other end. Slow and steady and amazing what one or two people can shift
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I've moved the Holbrook (a bit over two tons) and the Test no.2U mill (at least a ton and a half, probably more like two and a half) single-handed with a rented Hilux and plant trailer with drop-down ramp and a small winch on the tongue, scaffold pole offcuts as rollers:
Hebrew Slave method, assuming no toe jack, to raise it to get the scaffold poles underneath (yinormous prybar and lots of 1/4" packing pieces so you can use the leverage), but the lathe has the advantage that it has a flat-bottomed cabinet stand in 3/8 or so cast iron to roll along on and the mill has a flat-bottomed base casting - on leggy machines a couple of pieces of 4x4 or 4x6 timber (even fence posts will do in a pinch) as runners does a good job, with lagbolts/bloody great screws through the machine's own bolt-down points.
Once on the poles/rollers it's fairly easy to get moving or change direction by prying the machine around on the poles, not much friction. If using rollers, USE PIPE OR HEAVY TUBING (deburred... Don't Ask), so you can maneouvre them by pushing a stick or finger inside, DON'T grip the outside in case it rolls and traps a finger... not at all funny, a crushed and mashed finger while trying to move a machine and stay within the day's Hilux hire. Roll to the trailer and winch up the ramp on rollers (hardest bit is getting it started up the ramp, have plenty of rollers ready!)
Once on the trailer and balance achieved (good idea to go headstock-first with a lathe) Hebrew slave to pull the rollers out and apply several ratchet straps (you'll always have uses for them) each rated twice the machine's weight, away you go! At the destination, to quote the Haynes manual, "reverse of this procedure".
Simple, eh? But not particularly quick.
Hebrew Slave method, assuming no toe jack, to raise it to get the scaffold poles underneath (yinormous prybar and lots of 1/4" packing pieces so you can use the leverage), but the lathe has the advantage that it has a flat-bottomed cabinet stand in 3/8 or so cast iron to roll along on and the mill has a flat-bottomed base casting - on leggy machines a couple of pieces of 4x4 or 4x6 timber (even fence posts will do in a pinch) as runners does a good job, with lagbolts/bloody great screws through the machine's own bolt-down points.
Once on the poles/rollers it's fairly easy to get moving or change direction by prying the machine around on the poles, not much friction. If using rollers, USE PIPE OR HEAVY TUBING (deburred... Don't Ask), so you can maneouvre them by pushing a stick or finger inside, DON'T grip the outside in case it rolls and traps a finger... not at all funny, a crushed and mashed finger while trying to move a machine and stay within the day's Hilux hire. Roll to the trailer and winch up the ramp on rollers (hardest bit is getting it started up the ramp, have plenty of rollers ready!)
Once on the trailer and balance achieved (good idea to go headstock-first with a lathe) Hebrew slave to pull the rollers out and apply several ratchet straps (you'll always have uses for them) each rated twice the machine's weight, away you go! At the destination, to quote the Haynes manual, "reverse of this procedure".
Simple, eh? But not particularly quick.
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Current research suggests that there were no slaves involved in the building of the pyramids, Hebrew or otherwise.
According to noted archaeologists Mark Lehner and Zahi Hawass, the pyramids were not built by slaves; Hawass' archaeological discoveries in the 1990s in Cairo show the workers were paid skilled stone masons and labourers, rather than slaves. They lived well in a dedicated dormitory town, were well provisioned and received medical care. There are also clay tablets outlining a range of excuses for why they never made it into work on a particular day; from too much to drink to the death of a mother in law. Seems in 4000 years, not much changes.
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Works rather well to be honest, if you have access to a ramped trailer, its the way to go, easy, just time consuming.
Why reinvent the wheel, if you dont need to.
or with a few simple dimensions make two dollies, ratchet strap in place and wheel the lathe out to a trailer, winch on, and away
Thanks all. Have to be honest, the sheer weight of these things and the fact they're top-heavy worries me! It has a four(small)-wheel dolly each end, but I guess they'll be safe if there's also an engine hoist attached to the lathe itself in case it tries to tip.
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@Chris152 the 1st M300 I shifted worried me but having moved several lathes you get used to it
Lathe journeys to date
2x M300 from Bristol to a mates garage in Cardiff
These stayed there for a few weeks while I finished off my garage then they were moved from Cardiff to my place in Pontypool
Sold 1 of them to a guy in Bristol so I transported it there for him
M300 longbed with taper turning attachment popped up on eBay, I won the auction but had to drive to Crewe to collect it from a school and bring it home. There was quite a long route out of the school and had to shift it on my own
With the new long bed back at my place I had to sell my 1st M300. This ended up being delivered by me to a guy on the south coast
The opportunity popped up to clear the DT workshop of another school in Bristol which meant I acquired another M300. This eventually sold to a guy in Llanelli so yet another road trip to deliver that one
Have also moved a Colchester Student and a few Boxfords, J&S surface grinder and 2 milling machines
So yes, I have some previous form moving iron about the country
Lathe journeys to date
2x M300 from Bristol to a mates garage in Cardiff
These stayed there for a few weeks while I finished off my garage then they were moved from Cardiff to my place in Pontypool
Sold 1 of them to a guy in Bristol so I transported it there for him
M300 longbed with taper turning attachment popped up on eBay, I won the auction but had to drive to Crewe to collect it from a school and bring it home. There was quite a long route out of the school and had to shift it on my own
With the new long bed back at my place I had to sell my 1st M300. This ended up being delivered by me to a guy on the south coast
The opportunity popped up to clear the DT workshop of another school in Bristol which meant I acquired another M300. This eventually sold to a guy in Llanelli so yet another road trip to deliver that one
Have also moved a Colchester Student and a few Boxfords, J&S surface grinder and 2 milling machines
So yes, I have some previous form moving iron about the country
