Flooding

[minimutly]

The B****y lot of them!

It's not as simple as being pushed away from ploughing - I expect arable land is still ploughed for each crop that requires it, but where land does not support arable farming (ie hilly or small fields) the next option is sheep or winter crops for stock - around here silage. This is just three or four cuts of grass, needs fertilizer and slurry. Farming has changed so much around here, no cows to be seen, just wacky races of silage cropping and slurry spreading - so yes, runoff is much different, maybe due to less ploughed land, but the silage grass is much less dense as well, with loads of gaps between the swards.
There has been talk of creating storm dams to hold back water, but the EU habitats directives would make that a difficult one.

 

[gaz1]

How to lose support for farmers

Tenbury Wells flooding: Tractor driver criticised for travelling through town

A tractor driver comes under fire for travelling through deep floods in the centre of Tenbury Wells, in Worcestershire.

www.bbc.co.uk

nothing wrong with it and as usual the bbc should say nothing on the subject

as goes for the tractor that thing can be used to tow idiots out of flooded areas and also pull boats and other things needed to rescue people

and thats why the bbc should stop scape goating and claiming a pack of lies

 

[Mark 5]

How to lose support for farmers

Tenbury Wells flooding: Tractor driver criticised for travelling through town

A tractor driver comes under fire for travelling through deep floods in the centre of Tenbury Wells, in Worcestershire.

www.bbc.co.uk

It was a " so long as I'm alright jack " mentality, saving my tractor.

The wake he created took out shop windows, selfish action.

 

[Mark 5]

nothing wrong with it and as usual the bbc should say nothing on the subject

as goes for the tractor that thing can be used to tow idiots out of flooded areas and also pull boats and other things needed to rescue people

and thats why the bbc should stop scape goating and claiming a pack of lies

What's the lies?

 

[brewdexta]

Local land owner (also owns large mill outlets and hotels) decided to drain his grouse moor to get a few more dicky birds to kill. It's illegal and causes the town below to flood as the moor no longer acts like a sponge. This was a couple of years ago, Natural England had him bang to rights, aerial photos before and afterwards, bloody great ditches everywhere. He was being sued to put it back, so he appealed. It went to a senior minister who just happens to own a grouse moor too. The case disappeared and instead he got a multi-million grant. People have tried to get access to the decision documents through freedom of information legislation to no avail. We now have a new MP of a different persuasion so may see if we can get some clarification.

 

[redlig]

Local land owner (also owns large mill outlets and hotels) decided to drain his grouse moor to get a few more dicky birds to kill. It's illegal and causes the town below to flood as the moor no longer acts like a sponge. This was a couple of years ago, Natural England had him bang to rights, aerial photos before and afterwards, bloody great ditches everywhere. He was being sued to put it back, so he appealed. It went to a senior minister who just happens to own a grouse moor too. The case disappeared and instead he got a multi-million grant. People have tried to get access to the decision documents through freedom of information legislation to no avail. We now have a new MP of a different persuasion so may see if we can get some clarification.

I do hope that no one expected any other result . Decision documents ! " I say old boy your vintage scotch is really top hole. Now don't you worry your head about it we will soon have it sorted . Could you just lift that corner of the carpet and we will put this little matter to bed."

 

[brewdexta]

I do hope that no one expected any other result . Decision documents ! " I say old boy your vintage scotch is really top hole. Now don't you worry your head about it we will soon have it sorted . Could you just lift that corner of the carpet and we will put this little matter to bed."

When he made a large contribution to the party coffers, it was a done deal.....

 

[bricol]

nothing wrong with it

Other than the fact that their excessive speed created enough wash to blow out previously intact shop windows - as described by the lady owner of one shop on the news last night. Once again, just a hint of common sense and consideration would have prevented even more unnecessary damage.

 

[bert]

North Wiltshire is screwed thus morning. The Avonmouth be up 15 feet in places malmsbury and chippenham are underwater. So many broken down cars and abandoned on my way to work it must have been a lot worse last night

 

[Mark 5]

Other than the fact that their excessive speed created enough wash to blow out previously intact shop windows - as described by the lady owner of one shop on the news last night. Once again, just a hint of common sense and consideration would have prevented even more unnecessary damage.

And the fact in rushing to save a car, the tractor driver had no idea, as he plowed through the street and created the wakes and took out shop windows, who might have been on any of the shop floors, ( attempting to salvage what they could ), as the glass caved in.

Driver was lucky he caused no injury to anyone, it was an unthinking, silly thing to do.

 

[bricol]

And the fact in rushing to save a car, the tractor driver had no idea, as he plowed through the street and created the wakes and took out shop windows, who might have been on any of the shop floors, ( attempting to salvage what they could ), as the glass caved in.

Driver was lucky he caused no injury to anyone, it was an unthinking, silly thing to do.

Police investigating according to the news sites.

 

[Robotstar5]

Police investigating according to the news sites.

I suppose he could be done for "due care and attention"?

 

[addjunkie]

It was a " so long as I'm alright jack " mentality, saving my tractor.

The wake he created took out shop windows, selfish action.

Theres two sides-to every storey but as we all know the truth is somewhere in the middle. There are good helpful folk and erect penis heads in all walks of life, not just farming.

 

[Mark 5]

Theres two sides-to every storey but as we all know the truth is somewhere in the middle. There are good helpful folk and erect penis heads in all walks of life, not just farming.

I don't think the driver meant to, he just didn't think, bloody foolish thing to do and he must have heard windows/glass breaking, still no one was injured.

 

[gaz1]

put it this way if we looked after our rivers and also had the flood planes we wouldnt be seeing this sort of disaster

so whilst others crib others for being helpful theres no talk about bringing back whats needed or what should be done

as for posting the proper news why isnt the bbc reporting on the lost flood planes that protected peoples homes and lifestyles or businesses
why isnt it posting that bring back these said flood planes

instead of them being used for homes and stuff everyone else flood planes have a use they protect homes and help rivers loose them and this is what you get your homes flooded rivers overflowing
fast flowing rivers causes more damage channeled rivers cretes speed and that crashes through other peoples stuff and its tough look to them as long as past the posh areas

 

[Morrisman]

It's not as simple as being pushed away from ploughing - I expect arable land is still ploughed for each crop that requires it, but where land does not support arable farming (ie hilly or small fields) the next option is sheep or winter crops for stock - around here silage. This is just three or four cuts of grass, needs fertilizer and slurry. Farming has changed so much around here, no cows to be seen, just wacky races of silage cropping and slurry spreading - so yes, runoff is much different, maybe due to less ploughed land, but the silage grass is much less dense as well, with loads of gaps between the swards.
There has been talk of creating storm dams to hold back water, but the EU habitats directives would make that a difficult one.

I read recently that the area that had the mega floods in Spain last month had had over 100 of those storm dams, of various shapes and designs, removed over the last few years. Again, eu directives about god only knows what.
Those sort of floods have happened before in that area, apparently, and measures were made to prevent them happening again. Short memories..….

In my home town a couple of balance ponds were dug many many years ago, with a bunch of big trees around them, to cut down flooding. Roll forward 30 years and developers moved in, built right up to the edge of the balancing ponds, then one sunny Sunday they chopped down all of the big trees. Complaints were made, but nothing was heard about it, it never even made the local newspaper. Money talks…

 

[redlig]

Over the last few years we have so many instances of flooding that everyone involved knows what the problem is but are not prepared to do much (enough) about it.
IF they must build houses on flood plains then build them on stilts as is done in many 3 world countries. Ground floor garage /workshop /utility,first floor living quarters and second floor sleeping accommodation. Done properly I don't see a problem . Might leave a bit of a mess when it dries but better that than total devastation and loss of everything.

 

[Cobbler]

North Wiltshire is screwed thus morning. The Avonmouth be up 15 feet in places malmsbury and chippenham are underwater. So many broken down cars and abandoned on my way to work it must have been a lot worse last night

@bert my son is at Little Somerford, I’ll have to give him a call, must be a bit marooned there, I expect the lane though towards Chippenham is blocked, it often is.

 

[Morrisman]

Over the last few years we have so many instances of flooding that everyone involved knows what the problem is but are not prepared to do much (enough) about it.
IF they must build houses on flood plains then build them on stilts as is done in many 3 world countries. Ground floor garage /workshop /utility,first floor living quarters and second floor sleeping accommodation. Done properly I don't see a problem . Might leave a bit of a mess when it dries but better that than total devastation and loss of everything.

I remember seeing many, many houses built like that when I worked in Brunei, and it seemed a brilliant idea. One solid wall, with an enclosed stairway, and 3 open sides. Loads of room underneath for a car, outdoor seating area, for drying laundry etc. I planned to have our house in the Philippines built like it, but nobody else seemed to share my vision when the time came.

 

[addjunkie]

I remember seeing many, many houses built like that when I worked in Brunei, and it seemed a brilliant idea. One solid wall, with an enclosed stairway, and 3 open sides. Loads of room underneath for a car, outdoor seating area, for drying laundry etc. I planned to have our house in the Philippines built like it, but nobody else seemed to share my vision when the time came.

Weve a couple currently being built near here on steel frames, enough room below to park cars etc, but cant according to design / flood assessment be blocked in. It is a very low spot next to a river bend thats banked up to minimise flooding.