Energy prices.

[Kayos]

Wind constantly?
Are you serious? When there is an area of high pressure over Europe we can go for 2 weeks or more with almost zero wind power. Hence why I am so against all this nonsense. Battery storage will last for minutes not weeks.

Yawn yawn yawn

Reluctantly I'm going to unsubscribe from this thread, banging your head against a wall might be fun but I've had enough of it

Diversify your news sources and come back with a decent argument please, and also look for some facts* about storage, the 3 minute market is gaining serious traction


*Daily Mail, Express or Telegraph do not count as sources for facts.

 

[Mr Fro]

Diesel went up here again back to 180p at supermarkets like before the duty cut

Yet heating oil just dropped 10p/litre...

 

[fizzy]

Yawn yawn yawn

Reluctantly I'm going to unsubscribe from this thread, banging your head against a wall might be fun but I've had enough of it

Diversify your news sources and come back with a decent argument please, and also look for some facts* about storage, the 3 minute market is gaining serious traction


*Daily Mail, Express or Telegraph do not count as sources for facts.

I do not only use those sources. The 3 minute market? New one on me but probably about as long as batteries will power Britain.
As to facts you rubbish most of my comments but then never come back with the facts to back it up.
Also I never personally attack people on forums. I enjoy a good debate but never sling mud.

 

[fizzy]

Yet heating oil just dropped 10p/litre...

Phew - how much?
We used to get a lot of our diesel from Russia that's why although kero is very similar.

 

[m_c]

I think those figures are wrong - 9 bn is for total Dogger Bank project which is estimated to produce 18twh /yr

I just took the key figures from a quick skim over the link Kayos posted, but having searched for more information on the figures, you're correct.

 

[Gareth J]

The French government can afford to do this as they have so much nuclear. We can't as we use gas and renewables. Nuclear electricity has not been affected by Putin!

Nuclear has helped buffer the cost of energy, europewide. Suspect France's wholesale price isn't dissimilar to ours and, if they were privatised the same as ours, don't worry, they'd have no issues hiking up the cost, exporting via interconnectors and makeing record profits there too. All non fossil fuel based energy sources have helped buffer the cost of energy though in these high cost times. Wind, sun, hydro etc though often relatively tiny, have all been lower cost than FF alternatives, even with subsidies. Without them energy would have been EVEN HIGHER!

 

[Mr Fro]

Phew - how much?
We used to get a lot of our diesel from Russia that's why although kero is very similar.

Down to 83.95 ppl with oil-club. Cheapest it's been here since the end of February.

 

[fizzy]

Nuclear has helped buffer the cost of energy, europewide. Suspect France's wholesale price isn't dissimilar to ours and, if they were privatised the same as ours, don't worry, they'd have no issues hiking up the cost, exporting via interconnectors and makeing record profits there too. All non fossil fuel based energy sources have helped buffer the cost of energy though in these high cost times. Wind, sun, hydro etc though often relatively tiny, have all been lower cost than FF alternatives, even with subsidies. Without them energy would have been EVEN HIGHER!

Lack of investment in nuclear for the last 30 years has caused this.

 

[fizzy]

Down to 83.95 ppl with oil-club. Cheapest it's been here since the end of February.

Much better than it was but I paid 48p last time.

 

[Morrisman]

A TEG powered fan, presumably?

My step son-in-law has had one for several years. Parked on top of the wood burner, he now has a bungalow that is warm from end to end, with the living room-to-hall door open.

Is that the one powered by the very heat it sits upon? Friends of mine in France had a couple sat on their log burner, at one end of their long narrow house. They give a good speed of heat all through.

Oddly enough, their 'house' was based around an ancient village bread oven, a pretty big one, and they added and extended it to make a really cool place to live.

Lack of investment in nuclear for the last 30 years has caused this.

Didn't Boris just state he will be opening one nuclear station every year, rather than one every ten. So, when is the first of these expected to start pumping out electric? And is there any substance to his ambition, or is it just lip service to the poor freezing masses?

 

[Mr Fro]

Much better than it was but I paid 48p last time.

I was looking back over the weekly emails oil-club send me.

1st May 2020 I filled the tank at 17.82 ppl...

 

[fizzy]

Is that the one powered by the very heat it sits upon? Friends of mine in France had a couple sat on their log burner, at one end of their long narrow house. They give a good speed of heat all through.

Oddly enough, their 'house' was based around an ancient village bread oven, a pretty big one, and they added and extended it to make a really cool place to live.


Didn't Boris just state he will be opening one nuclear station every year, rather than one every ten. So, when is the first of these expected to start pumping out electric? And is there any substance to his ambition, or is it just lip service to the poor freezing masses?

Yes stove top fan powered by the Peltier effect. They help quite a bit.
The Rolls Royce SMRs are sadly about 8 years away but they will be fairly mass produced so when they are up an running it will be much quicker. They are talking about the UK alone having 16 of them.
Even companies like PayPal, Google and Amazon are interested in them for data centres.
And at the price they are quoting it will be within the reach of private energy companies to run them and compete against each other.

 

[fizzy]

I was looking back over the weekly emails oil-club send me.

1st May 2020 I filled the tank at 17.82 ppl...

Oh for a 100,000 litre tank

 

[Gareth J]

Lack of investment in nuclear for the last 30 years has caused this.

All that lack of investment in nuclear has caused, is; not as much nuclear as we might have had.

Lots more nuclear wouldn't solve all the issues were having, or have stopped them happening. It would have also resulted in other knock on consequences too, like, probably, higher energy costs over the past decades. The current energy cost situation and its potential solutions are complex with lots of factors/causes!

 

[bricol]

That's not true, French public pay less for their juice because their government have intervened and helped keep prices down.

Exactly - from French news website:

Educational efforts needed

For the moment, a tariff shield protects the French. According to the Vie Publique website, it should help limit the price increase to 38 euros per year for private customers and 60 euros per year for professionals.

“Without the measures, the regulated electricity tariff would have risen by 330 euros per year for private customers and 540 euros per year for a professional customer, according to the Energy Regulation Commission,” the website states.

The cost of electricity in France has increased sharply, and nearly one in two 18 to 34-year-olds struggle to pay their bills according to the government information service, Médiateur national de l’énergie.

 

[R Kraft]

The powers that be over here are working to destroy fossil fuel energy production, to force people to green energy that doesn't currently exist.
There are over 15 thousand wind turbines that have been broken or abandoned, and places with 50ft stacks of abandoned blades.
When the turbines are abandoned the bases are left behind as multi hundreds of cubic yard plugs of concrete and steel.
Using the land for agriculture becomes impossible.
This site admittedly does not like the things, so they do not look for sunshine and rainbows.

Permanent Legacy: Wind Industry Plans to Abandon Millions of 500 Tonne Concrete Wind Turbine Bases

Decommissioning wind turbines at the end of their economic lifespan (which is around 10 to 15 years, not the 25 years touted by the wind industry) is one of those phenomenally expensive exercises t…

stopthesethings.com

 

[fizzy]

All that lack of investment in nuclear has caused, is; not as much nuclear as we might have had.

Lots more nuclear wouldn't solve all the issues were having, or have stopped them happening. It would have also resulted in other knock on consequences too, like, probably, higher energy costs over the past decades. The current energy cost situation and its potential solutions are complex with lots of factors/causes!

I don't understand. If we had loads more nuclear we wouldn't need expensive Russian gas. How wouldn't it help?

 

[Mr Fro]

Oh for a 100,000 litre tank

Wife is finishing up a construction project that has a 40,000 litre diesel tank which they'll be filling at ~ £1.70/litre.

They'll need it filled every 2 weeks the rate they use it!

 

[fizzy]

Wife is finishing up a construction project that has a 40,000 litre diesel tank which they'll be filling at ~ £1.70/litre.

They'll need it filled every 2 weeks the rate they use it!

Because of the ban on red I assume?

 

[Mr Fro]

Because of the ban on red I assume?

Dunno. She might have said but I probably tuned out by that point.