Energy prices.

[500e]

They wont be paying £1.70 either
They will be buying on spot market or bulk price, but still scary

 

[Mr Fro]

They wont be paying £1.70 either
They will be buying on spot market or bulk price, but still scary

I think that £1.70 was based on the "small" order of 5k litres to get things up and running or something.

 

[fizzy]

They wont be paying £1.70 either
They will be buying on spot market or bulk price, but still scary

Not so sure. I know haulage companies with their own tanks only get it a few pennies cheaper than Tesco sell it for.

 

[Gareth J]

PopThe French government can afford to do this as they have so much nuclear. We can't as we use gas and renewables. Nuclear electricity has not been affected by Putin!

Nuclear hasn't been affected by Putin, but it doesn't need to be. It's expensive all the time anyway. Had we had a majority nuclear over the past decades, we would have had far higher bills through those decades than we had done.

 

[fizzy]

Nuclear hasn't been affected by Putin, but it doesn't need to be. It's expensive all the time anyway. Had we had a majority nuclear over the past decades, we would have had far higher bills through those decades than we had done.

France does very well out of nuclear and as a result puts out far less CO2 than Britain or Germany who have gone down the renewables route.

 

[bricol]

France does very well out of nuclear and as a result puts out far less CO2 than Britain or Germany who have gone down the renewables route.

I dunno where you get your figures from . . . but the ones I find:

Comparing emissions on both sides of the Channel​

France and the United Kingdom share many characteristics. They have similar populations, comparable levels of development and their territorial greenhouse-gas emissions are similar – 7 tCO₂ per inhabitant for the United Kingdom and 6.7 tCO₂ per inhabitant for France in 2017.

In my mind, that's not "far less" . . .

 

[fizzy]

I dunno where you get your figures from . . . but the ones I find:

Comparing emissions on both sides of the Channel​

France and the United Kingdom share many characteristics. They have similar populations, comparable levels of development and their territorial greenhouse-gas emissions are similar – 7 tCO₂ per inhabitant for the United Kingdom and 6.7 tCO₂ per inhabitant for France in 2017.

In my mind, that's not "far less" . . .

Live 24/7 CO₂ emissions of electricity consumption

Electricity Maps is a live 24/7 visualization of where your electricity comes from and how much CO2 was emitted to produce it.

app.electricitymap.org

 

[fizzy]

Also

G. B. National Grid status

www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk

and

French National Grid status

www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk

Note in Winter France gets about 80% of it's electricity from nuclear - currently running at 69% - compared to Britain's 16% or so.

 

[fizzy]

C’mon. Eventually, the renewable route will be better - unless someone, somewhere, makes a commercial breakthrough with nuclear fusion (but not in my lifetime!).

No nasty radioactive waste to look after (very carefully and very expensively) and no future almost astronomical decommissioning costs like for nuclear plants, when their useful lifetime expires. No potential widespread contamination in the event of an accident, either.

France did very well by adopting a better nuclear fleet thirty years, or more, ago. Many of them won’t last so much longer - then we shall see what the replacement costs might be! All the time, meanwhile, renewables will either use free energy or sustainable supplies of fuel.

If only... The Swansea tidal lagoon had been started. The Severn Bore tidal barrage had been accepted. Serious efforts to improve insulation for existing, and future, housing stocks were taken. If only…

Other tidal systems might well have been ‘in the pipe-line’ by now. All new housing stock would be better than most of it is currently. Etc, etc.

And, yes, I do accept the problems of silting up behind the barages, change of habitat, etc. need addressing.

I’m looking forward to the local 350MW solar farm being constructed locally. But there are dissenters, of course. Compromise is needed, too.

Did you realise Britain is one of the worst places in the World to have solar power?
A lot worse than even Canada.
People always forget how far North we are. London is further North than any proper city in Canada.

Global Solar Atlas

The Global Solar Atlas provides a summary of solar power potential and solar resources globally. It is provided by the World Bank Group as a free service to governments, developers and the general public, and allows users to quickly obtain data and carry out a simple electricity output...

globalsolaratlas.info

Despite what some people claim I do NOT get my data from the tabloid press!

 

[fizzy]

I used to be a big fan of tidal power - until I realised the damage done to the marine environment outweighs any benefits.
They are now talking of giant underwater turbines. What will they do to seals and dolphins I wonder?
And IF there was a way of storing the excess energy I would be all in favour of wind power - but there isn't despite what people think or claim.

 

[knighty]

Did you realise Britain is one of the worst places in the World to have solar power?

guess that also means we're one of the worst places to grow food so we should give up on that too?

just because somewhere else's solar is more efficient than ours doesen't mean we shouldn't bother with it

 

[fizzy]

guess that also means we're one of the worst places to grow food so we should give up on that too?

just because somewhere else's solar is more efficient than ours doesen't mean we shouldn't bother with it

Why do you think our leccy is so expensive?
If renewables were so brilliant why are we so reliant on gas?
Is it REALLY a good idea to cover prime arable land with solar panels?
In countries like Portugal or parts of Spain they work very well - and they cover areas of arid scrub where there is nothing growing. And yet there are more solar farms in Wales than Spain

 

[500e]

And there is a lot of problems with solar in Spain a lot people have gone bancrupt

 

[fizzy]

And there is a lot of problems with solar in Spain a lot people have gone bancrupt

Exactly that is my point. If it isn't that viable in Spain how on Earth can it be in the UK with our terrible weather?
Nearly all houses in Spain and Portugal have solar hot water but very few have pv panels.

 

[500e]

Has Spain learned its renewable energy lesson?

What a difference a decade makes. In 2007 Spain was intent on becoming of one the world’s green energy leaders. Second only to Germany in Europe for installed solar capacity, they had just opened world’s first commercial solar thermal polar plant opened close to Saville. And on top of that, the...

blueandgreentomorrow.com

 

[knighty]

Why do you think our leccy is so expensive?
If renewables were so brilliant why are we so reliant on gas?
Is it REALLY a good idea to cover prime arable land with solar panels?
In countries like Portugal or parts of Spain they work very well - and they cover areas of arid scrub where there is nothing growing. And yet there are more solar farms in Wales than Spain

look at when the power stations were built and the efficiency of renewables back then - that's why we went with coal/gas/nuke back then

every new house built should have a solar roof now

 

[prepman]

I personally will look at all (well most) media from one extreme to the other and usually halfway between the two is where the truth is.

comparetheweater.com?

 

[daleyd]

And yet there are more solar farms in Wales than Spain

Seeing as Spain has something like 16,000MW Solar PV capacity and the whole of the UK has around 13,000 I don't find that claim believable.

Spain should be further ahead than it is, but the Spanish government from 2008 onwards (And more so from 2015) put in place some fairly punitive measures which have really hampered any investment in solar. (Google spain sun tax).

Despite this they are still regarded as one of the world leaders in large scale solar PV - particularly concentrated solar PV,

 

[fizzy]

look at when the power stations were built and the efficiency of renewables back then - that's why we went with coal/gas/nuke back then

every new house built should have a solar roof now

We are down in a valley and there is moss growing on our roof. Solar would be pointless.
Trust me if I could find a way of cutting our electricity bills I would jump at it.

 

[Edward Teach]

what do folk actually use per day on average ? I always find the “book values” online are way below our usage … we seem to be about 5kW per day just for the house to tick over.

I am back from my Spain/Portugal TET Tour, so will continue looking into our electric consumption,
And how we can make our usage less, and find other ways to save money, possibly solar
Our yearly average seems to be 19Kwh through the year,
Last winter, early November to the end of March, it went up to 22Kwh per day.

3 x NAS
3 x computer systems,
tv,
virgin box,
fridge,
freezer,
electric shower,
electric oven,
dishwasher,
wash machine,
gas boiler and heating pump


Workshop
21 x 4ft fluorescent lighting,
6 x cctv camera and system,
3hp compressor,
car ramp,
amp,
electric door,