Colchester chipmaster advice.

[Mark Davison]

Can smith and Allen in Darlington about the oil. They are really helpful and their prices are typically as good as you'll get.

 

[Agroshield]

...Any input will be great to get this thing going as my spindle head casting is empty (I suspect a leak).

It is common for them to leak at this age. I think it is at the back, through the clutch shaft. There are descriptions online of dismantling and reassembly. Not difficult, just keep all the parts in order. O-rings will be imperial.

If you suspect it is leaking, fill it up with car engine oil and give it a try. That will confirm your suspicion in the most economic way. If it is oil tight, then you can replace with the correct oil. If it leaks, you can repair it without wasting the expensive stuff.

As above, Smith and Allen are good. Send them a picture of the original specs. from the manual. The Morlina 10 is only essential for the variator that you do not have. For the headstock, a near equivalent to the original Tellus 15 will be OK.

Remember that the original specifications were for an economic lifespan at industrial use (40h a week, in a way that would make money). If you are to use it at a lower duty cycle, those specifications can be more flexible.

It is worth joining the Colchester group at groups.io . There is a good bit of useful stuff in the files section of the group.

 

[Joe84]

It is common for them to leak at this age. I think it is at the back, through the clutch shaft. There are descriptions online of dismantling and reassembly. Not difficult, just keep all the parts in order. O-rings will be imperial.

If you suspect it is leaking, fill it up with car engine oil and give it a try. That will confirm your suspicion in the most economic way. If it is oil tight, then you can replace with the correct oil. If it leaks, you can repair it without wasting the expensive stuff.

As above, Smith and Allen are good. Send them a picture of the original specs. from the manual. The Morlina 10 is only essential for the variator that you do not have. For the headstock, a near equivalent to the original Tellus 15 will be OK.

Remember that the original specifications were for an economic lifespan at industrial use (40h a week, in a way that would make money). If you are to use it at a lower duty cycle, those specifications can be more flexible.

It is worth joining the Colchester group at groups.io . There is a good bit of useful stuff in the files section of the group.

Thanks agroshield, very helpful as always, I don't mind spending the money for what the oils worth it's all the extra shipping ect and I feel people that sell it in 1litre jars are sticking the arm in abit.

I'll definitely contact Smith and Allen, good tip about using car oil to test my theory.

Cheers bud.

 

[Joe84]

Can these be got as separate parts?

 

[Agroshield]

Can these be got as separate parts?

In principle, yes. In practice, no.

If they are from a Burnerd chuck, Rotagrip have a big list in pdf on their website of the part numbers. The price for one will be comparable with a new chuck.

 

[daedalusminos]

So has anyone found and used a replacement fir the morlina? I've heard any good premium quality 68 hydraulic oil would do for the tellus 68 replacement, Aby input will be great to get this thing going as my spindle head casting is empty ( I suspect a leak).

That Morlina is an ISO 10 viscosity - I would purchase a cheap (should be able to get 5l for £25) ISO 10 hydraulic oil and use it to check for leaks and flush before throwing the Morlina in.

 

[Dcal]

Can these be got as separate parts?

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You've got a lathe now so just make some.
It was the first job I did when I got my Boxford.
Same problem and I was able to get some grub screws the correct size and used a parting blade to cut the slots.
Still works years later.

Just did a search and I see I posted on it, so link below.

Lathe

The glanze tools ? Don't regret buying em. New tool post to make next for me. Yep that's the ones

www.mig-welding.co.uk

 

[Joe84]

In principle, yes. In practice, no.

If they are from a Burnerd chuck, Rotagrip have a big list in pdf on their website of the part numbers. The price for one will be comparable with a new chuck.

I did find some although not my size but similar, starting at £40 each it would make more sense to buy a new chuck!

 

[Joe84]

That Morlina is an ISO 10 viscosity - I would purchase a cheap (should be able to get 5l for £25) ISO 10 hydraulic oil and use it to check for leaks and flush before throwing the Morlina in.

Surely Morlina S2 BL 10 can't be the only spindle oil suitable for a chippie

 

[Joe84]

You've got a lathe now so just make some.
It was the first job I did when I got my Boxford.
Same problem and I was able to get some grub screws the correct size and used a parting blade to cut the slots.
Still works years later.

Just did a search and I see I posted on it, so link below.

Lathe

The glanze tools ? Don't regret buying em. New tool post to make next for me. Yep that's the ones

www.mig-welding.co.uk

Cheers for that Dcal, I didn't think you would get a grub screw with that pitch, I think its 4mm pitch but I could be wrong.
Anyway I'll check it out.

 

[Agroshield]

...didn't think you would get a grub screw with that pitch...

His chuck may have been different to your own. The threads on yours are not vee-shaped, more square.

If it is only the hex socket on yours that is cracked, perhaps it would be possible carefully to braze or silver solder it up and then tidy up with a dremel. A piece of graphite filed to fit the hex socket would contain the filler material somewhat.

 

[Joe84]

His chuck may have been different to your own. The threads on yours are not vee-shaped, more square.

If it is only the hex socket on yours that is cracked, perhaps it would be possible carefully to braze or silver solder it up and then tidy up with a dremel. A piece of graphite filed to fit the hex socket would contain the filler material somewhat.

That's what I was thinking, but wanted to see my options where, buying new is not an option at the price they are!

There are no bits broken just cracked.

 

[Joe84]

Got a run on the chippie today not to bad but I thing the crossslide Gibson are a bad loose.

Any one recommend a good tool for general turning? I bought a set of blue things from RDG tools.

Anyway hers a picture or two.

 

[RobCox]

I bought a set of blue things from RDG tools.

Did you sharpen them to known clearance angles? My experience of off the shelf brazed carbide is that it needs grinding. There may or may not be clearance ground in.
For general work, pick an insert style and try those. I use ccmt09t304 or the polished non ferrous inserts ccgt... There's a world of different shapes, sizes, pos/neg rakes to choose from. Depends what youre going to be doing with it (hobby, production).

 

[Joe84]

Did you sharpen them to known clearance angles? My experience of off the shelf brazed carbide is that it needs grinding. There may or may not be clearance ground in.
For general work, pick an insert style and try those. I use ccmt09t304 or the polished non ferrous inserts ccgt... There's a world of different shapes, sizes, pos/neg rakes to choose from. Depends what youre going to be doing with it (hobby, production).

I didn't grind anything lol
Yea it's a tad confusing all these tools and what they do, mainly just hobby work, I weld to so I want to turn bushings, bosses, pins and that kind of stuff.

 

[6ply]

Don't give up on the tools just because they are brazed carbide. I was using some earlier this week and getting great results.

 

[6ply]

I didn't grind anything lol
Yea it's a tad confusing all these tools and what they do, mainly just hobby work, I weld to so I want to turn bushings, bosses, pins and that kind of stuff.

Grind them

 

[6ply]

Hi,
I'm in the process of purchasing a chipmaster 5x20 it doesn't have any steadies, and it has a QCTP with no tool holders
My first question is can anyone recommend aftermarket or anternative steadies that will fit on this machine?

Second question is Would the tool post most likely be a T2?

Third question is what aftermarket brand chucks are good? I'm not paying £300- £1000 for a 4 jaw chuck! I'm looking something around £200 and at least 150mm

Any other help on brands of tooling would be great.... obviously I'm a complete newbie and don't want expensive tooling to break while I learn.


Thanks.

If you find a chuck (I just sold several...) I've got this adapter that could be of interest. I think you mentioned your lathe is D1-3 mount.

 

[Joe84]

If you find a chuck (I just sold several...) I've got this adapter that could be of interest. I think you mentioned your lathe is D1-3 mount.

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Pm me a price with postage

 

[minimutly]

You've got a lathe now so just make some.
It was the first job I did when I got my Boxford.
Same problem and I was able to get some grub screws the correct size and used a parting blade to cut the slots.
Still works years later.

Just did a search and I see I posted on it, so link below.

Lathe

The glanze tools ? Don't regret buying em. New tool post to make next for me. Yep that's the ones

www.mig-welding.co.uk

Interesting name....