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At the moment. Until they realise that they are missing another money stream.Except to "Historic" and then all this nonsense goes away.
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yes but mine has the car engine in, maybe i can send the pillocks my engine code lol. but then they wouldnt even understand that.
i feel for all the non factory spec camper van owners.
UK is one big con of a **** hole now and just going to get worse as no body cares ( as it doesnt matter directly or just stupid ) but moans about it. Then they carry on being mugged off.
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It doesn’t matter if the engine is shared across multiple platforms, they change to the engine mapping to given requirements of that platform. The weight of the vehicle, its shape, gearing and even the wheels all then alter the emissions reading. It’s pretty obvious that a small car with the same engine will use less fuel at a given speed and distance than a box shaped van twice it’s weight hence the difference in emissions
OK, it's off topic, but the idea in the news of dumping cars to comply with a new regulation bugs me. It's a bit silly that my MGB and my girlfriend's '66 Herald are exempt from all clean air zone charges. Although, I have read an article where someone fitted a catalytic converter which made a big difference.
However, the thing with classics is that their embodied energy is miniscule compared to the average modern car (or worse, a 3 ton EV stuffed with Chinesium chips) which gets sold on after five years for another fresh off the production line. We can fix the classics, with basic tools and tend them with know-how, using mostly just some rubber and steel. A modern car, if it's fixable at all, needs dealer-specific tools, probably locked software and parts that have supply chains and embodied-energy nets that spread far beyond the horizon and around the world. The requirements to even build a clean-room chip foundry, let alone run it are mind-boggling. Not to mention the acres of plastic that make up the interior that can only be buried or burned, creating toxic fumes.
Keeping something going for almost 60 years has kept such an enormous amount of material out of compressed scrap cubes, and retained an element of humanity in the need to diagnose, understand, repair and have the satisfaction of keeping a mechanical, sensitive object going.
I'm not convinced about the trend for EVs, unless they are to be powered by lead acid batteries and have hugely reduced speeds for useful efficiency. Make an electric Herald at about 800kg and you might have a worthwhile EV, instead of a bloated Tesla (ugly in its blandness) that is getting on for a WWI tank in weight and absurdity. The fact it's full of unnecessary tech inside that runs off the batteries, from doorhandles to wingmirrors to infotainment systems...the ridiculousness increases. The Herald ('best car of 1959') had three ashtrays and no radio. Perhaps we can do without the smoking, but the simplicity of the car, its size and its 26' turning circle make it so much more practical than any number of lumbering idiots in their cretinous SUVs. That attitude applied to transport might actually make a difference, rather than assuming the choice is between a 'bad' polluting car and a 'good' electric one (where the pollution is just outsourced to hideous toxic lakes in the far east).
However, the thing with classics is that their embodied energy is miniscule compared to the average modern car (or worse, a 3 ton EV stuffed with Chinesium chips) which gets sold on after five years for another fresh off the production line. We can fix the classics, with basic tools and tend them with know-how, using mostly just some rubber and steel. A modern car, if it's fixable at all, needs dealer-specific tools, probably locked software and parts that have supply chains and embodied-energy nets that spread far beyond the horizon and around the world. The requirements to even build a clean-room chip foundry, let alone run it are mind-boggling. Not to mention the acres of plastic that make up the interior that can only be buried or burned, creating toxic fumes.
Keeping something going for almost 60 years has kept such an enormous amount of material out of compressed scrap cubes, and retained an element of humanity in the need to diagnose, understand, repair and have the satisfaction of keeping a mechanical, sensitive object going.
I'm not convinced about the trend for EVs, unless they are to be powered by lead acid batteries and have hugely reduced speeds for useful efficiency. Make an electric Herald at about 800kg and you might have a worthwhile EV, instead of a bloated Tesla (ugly in its blandness) that is getting on for a WWI tank in weight and absurdity. The fact it's full of unnecessary tech inside that runs off the batteries, from doorhandles to wingmirrors to infotainment systems...the ridiculousness increases. The Herald ('best car of 1959') had three ashtrays and no radio. Perhaps we can do without the smoking, but the simplicity of the car, its size and its 26' turning circle make it so much more practical than any number of lumbering idiots in their cretinous SUVs. That attitude applied to transport might actually make a difference, rather than assuming the choice is between a 'bad' polluting car and a 'good' electric one (where the pollution is just outsourced to hideous toxic lakes in the far east).
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When I was younger, I used to fear mot time. Unknown bills...
The last mot on the defender I pointed to the new bits on the steering and told the chap I still wasn't happy with it, and could he pay special attention to that area.
I fixed all the bits he pointed out (for way less money than I'd already spent on the other bits) and now I'm loads happier with it!
I've got an exempt vehicle also. I've not turned the keys on it in the past year.... when I start driving it again, one of the first trips will be to the mot station to find out (for £50) all that needs doing.
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Clean air and green are two very different things, clean airis less emissions, green is all a combination of how its made and with what energy source, time on the road, repairability, recycleability etc. modern cars-are not green…..its all green washing, they are low emission. A defender is far more green.
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Very well put!
Electric cars are (mostly) sold on performance and the amount of useless tat that can be crammed into the dash, they really aren't environmentally friendly although once manufactured probably produce less overall pollution??? Not sure on that one!
They would be much better environmentally if they were all like a Nissan Leaf or the new MG's but no, the manufacturers want more money so make hugh tanks like the Audi e-tron, BMW i7 etc so the rich can race around in them showing off. Most of them haven't realized that 3 tons of junk won't stop in an instant on a wet road just because it has lots of flashing lights on the dashboard and countless stupid acronyms in the sales brochure
Anyway I'm off the search Ebay for a cold war two stroke motorcycle...
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Bottom line here is folk in our major cities are choking to death, while the leccy/hybrid cars make a lot of sense a lot more could be done to reduce pollution.
Although its not worth a toss and will never happen this is my bucket list.
1. re introduce the school bus/minibus service in a very big way.
2, force all the construction sites and retailers to open late or early for stock deliveries to get trucks off the roads during peak times.
3. Make the bus/train service within the m25 a simple one ticket job. Buy one ticket that allows the use of any bus or train whether overland or underground for a 24 hour period. Current set up is a massively overly complicated and off putting joke.
4. a huge push for strategically placed parknride sites around the m25 to compliment the above.
Although its not worth a toss and will never happen this is my bucket list.
1. re introduce the school bus/minibus service in a very big way.
2, force all the construction sites and retailers to open late or early for stock deliveries to get trucks off the roads during peak times.
3. Make the bus/train service within the m25 a simple one ticket job. Buy one ticket that allows the use of any bus or train whether overland or underground for a 24 hour period. Current set up is a massively overly complicated and off putting joke.
4. a huge push for strategically placed parknride sites around the m25 to compliment the above.
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I like the idea on the school buses but the chavs won't use them as they can't show off their new PCP deal cars they can't really afford.
Some of the bigger jobs do have out of hours delivery but get noise complaints from the people daft enough to live in central London.
Transport needs fixing but never will be while there money to be creamed off somewhere.
And I don't want a parknride near me!
NIMBY
Some of the bigger jobs do have out of hours delivery but get noise complaints from the people daft enough to live in central London.
Transport needs fixing but never will be while there money to be creamed off somewhere.
And I don't want a parknride near me!
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I got caught driving through bath , l200, fine came through , so I wrote them a letter explaining , London has signs up miles before you get there, then another couple miles out , then sign your entering LEZ. there is no sign on the a36 entering bath , so how was I to know ? I am happy(?) to pay the daily charge but will not pay the fine as its a scam and will take legal action against it.
I was told I should look it up on a website ..I dis agreed that I cant be expected to do that before every journey, the roads should legally have signs saying you are about to enter a emmision zone. They backed down, I paid the daily fee.
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I was reading about the large depreciation of EVs...
...is this simply the large gov subsidies working thro into the second hand market I'm wondering?
I've been looking at mercedes 230s from the 1980s (ULEZ exempt)...lovely looking cars....hard to believe it's the same company turning out the ugly aggressive euro boxes these days!
Maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy though
...is this simply the large gov subsidies working thro into the second hand market I'm wondering?
I've been looking at mercedes 230s from the 1980s (ULEZ exempt)...lovely looking cars....hard to believe it's the same company turning out the ugly aggressive euro boxes these days!
Maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy though
In Contract Law there is a requirement for a party to be fully informed & aware of Terms beforehand.
Lots of rules specific about signage e.g. putting Conditions of Parking on a sign inside the car park aren't legally enforceable, because the party isn't aware of the Terms prior to entering (they must be clearly displayed at the entrance, where there is the opportunity to decline and not enter/park.
I do not think that Bath can legally even charge you the daily fee - if you haven't had Signage to make you fully aware beforehand that you're entering a Charge Zone (& with the opportunity to alter course & take an alternative route I.e. decline).
It's all to do with the rules defining "Offer" & "Acceptance" forming an informal Contract (if I recall correctly).
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I think the large depreciation of any modern vehicle is inevitable. The change from cars being a consumer durable to a short-life, high repair cost disposable guarantees it.I was reading about the large depreciation of EVs...
...is this simply the large gov subsidies working thro into the second hand market I'm wondering?
I've been looking at mercedes 230s from the 1980s (ULEZ exempt)...lovely looking cars....hard to believe it's the same company turning out the ugly aggressive euro boxes these days!
Maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy though
Bottom line - the car makers and our own Govt do not WANT a flourishing used car market, & the vehicle remaining in circulation. There's less repeat sales, & no sales tax to be extracted..... while consumers are aware & very wary of buying newer vehicles used - because they know its built with a short lifespan, & know the reliability, repair & mtce costs will render the used car to be a high risk of being a very costly liability instead of an asset.
Making used cars unappealing and the used car market steadily eradicated..... is no accident or coincidence - its being ENGINEERED (in hardware & in manipulating the consumer market).
After all - look at the Classic market. I don't think anyone sees any car made today, having a Classic Car Enthusiast, home-serviced and repaired life 30-years from now, let stone being seen as a valid daily driver like a Mercedes 230 or so many other 25-year+ aged cars.
I think there'd be good money & appreciating value in the solid, reliable, maintainable classics going forward.
What I expect will derail & kill that off.....will be that we can expect more draconian charges & restrictions upon their use - to make them of very limited practical use.
Laws will be changed & excuses fabricated as to why this type of vehicle is no longer either safe enough or clean enough to be allowed to facilitate its user to keep avoiding joining the enforced consumer cycle.
What I expect will derail & kill that off.....will be that we can expect more draconian charges & restrictions upon their use - to make them of very limited practical use.
Laws will be changed & excuses fabricated as to why this type of vehicle is no longer either safe enough or clean enough to be allowed to facilitate its user to keep avoiding joining the enforced consumer cycle.
