cd or tape recorders....DUAL.

[ukracer]

What do you hope to achieve by recording? Are the recordings admissible if you need to appeal any decision? If you have a strong case, then covert recording might be better? If your case isnt cast iron, then recording may well antagonise them, and make them try very hard to find against you?

Yes the recordings are admissable . The recordings are needed because they are a bunch of liars. Their remit is to fail a certain % irrespective. you then have to go to automatic appeal where only 4% are successful.

You then need to go to full appeal. At this stage you need to provide evidence why they are wrong......without knowing what they have written about you its hard.

Apparently they talk as if they are your best friend but write otherwise....you need a way of protecting yourself.

Let's put it this way would you trust anyone who sends you an appointment for 8.10 knowing you need to wake up at around 5am to get ready and there on time having emphasised that my wife can not wake before 9am and most days it's 10am ....this is due to the drugs she takes for epilepsy etc

oh and BTW you can only change your appointment once. After that you loose the benefit you are applying for.

Are you starting to get the picture.

 

[ukracer]

You need to find out what the input impedance of the recorder is, the microphone impedance needs to be as close to this as possible.

line in is 50kohm 80 mv maximum

 

[rtbcomp]

That impedance is quite high, I'm pretty sure you'll need a pre-amp. You may get away 1 mic and one pre-amp, the output of which you connect to both recorders.

 

[WorkshopChris]

What do you hope to achieve by recording? Are the recordings admissible if you need to appeal any decision? If you have a strong case, then covert recording might be better? If your case isnt cast iron, then recording may well antagonise them, and make them try very hard to find against you

Just the opposite the people doing the assessment have targets to meet so will tell you anything they expect you to hear then put the exact opposite on the report to make the likelihood of your claim succeeding slim. (that is face and i have 1st hand experience of the fact).
If you are found to be making a covert recording your whole claim may be cancelled- its in the terms you have no option but to accept.

no mixer....I guess I am going to need to fit a pre amp.

which end is the Mic on that thing??

The mesh part picks up the sound,you can also get a type that use the a flat surface as the pick up that you put on a table and will catch most of the sounds in the room.

A similar thing might be listed as a conference or meeting microphone.

 

[Chris Stevens]

Yes the recordings are admissable . The recordings are needed because they are a bunch of liars. Their remit is to fail a certain % irrespective. you then have to go to automatic appeal where only 4% are successful.

You then need to go to full appeal. At this stage you need to provide evidence why they are wrong......without knowing what they have written about you its hard.

Apparently they talk as if they are your best friend but write otherwise....you need a way of protecting yourself.

Let's put it this way would you trust anyone who sends you an appointment for 8.10 knowing you need to wake up at around 5am to get ready and there on time having emphasised that my wife can not wake before 9am and most days it's 10am ....this is due to the drugs she takes for epilepsy etc

oh and BTW you can only change your appointment once. After that you loose the benefit you are applying for.

Are you starting to get the picture.

Yes I can see the point of recording now, and why they make it so difficult! Was in a similar situation many years ago, and they refused point blank to allow recording, but advised I could have a copy of the interviewers contemporaneous notes. When push came to shove though they werent keen on providing the notes at all, and when I finally got them they were handwritten and impossible to read. After some amount of encouragement from me, they were forced to provide a typewritten copy of the notes, which must have caused them a fair amount of aggro (which was the purpose of my asking!)

 

[mike os]

no wonder they have no money... just recieved an invitation to attend an "interrogation" .... at the moment i dont get anything and have no claims..... think i will just ignore it

 

[Chris Stevens]

no wonder they have no money... just recieved an invitation to attend an "interrogation" .... at the moment i dont get anything and have no claims..... think i will just ignore it

Maybe they want to stop your benefits in advance if you do claim at any time in the future?

 

[optima21]

if its a Work capability assessment for ESA, I understand that the assessment is done by a third party, ( which is what you are wanting to record). the assessment is then sent to the ESA decison makers who work for the DWP.
Once the decision is made, the decision maker will try and contact the claimant to let them know the outcome of the decision. If the claimant is not happy with decision they can ask for a "verbal explanation" of the decision from the decision maker, which may include details of the assessment made by the third party and the legislation used.
If the claimant is not happy with that they can then ask for a "written statement of reasons" which is similar to the verbal explanation, but is written down and posted to the claimant. This can then be used to gather additional evidence to ask for a "mandatory reconsideration", in which case the mandatory reconsideration will be done by a different decision maker, including any additional evidence provided since the original decision was made. If the reconsideration has been done and the decision is not changed, then the claimant will be sent a letter confirming that and how to make an appeal against the original decision by contacting the tribunal service and going to court.

recording the assessment will not have any bearing on the original decision, that would still stand. It may be used as part of the additional evidence used in a mandatory reconsideration, or as part of a appeal. If you are going to have a reconsideration or appeal, you might be better getting medical evidence from your doctor, hospital reports, or other professionals.

this will be my only post on this, so make of it what you want.

It seems like a full understanding of the process may be required rather than just focusing on recording an assessment on the basis that you are going to be wrongly assessed and using a recording as your primary means to say that the decision is wrong.

have you hand a look at this publication on the governments website (I havnt read it)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...essment-handbook-for-healthcare-professionals

 

[Chris Stevens]

if its a Work capability assessment for ESA, I understand that the assessment is done by a third party, ( which is what you are wanting to record). the assessment is then sent to the ESA decison makers who work for the DWP.
Once the decision is made, the decision maker will try and contact the claimant to let them know the outcome of the decision. If the claimant is not happy with decision they can ask for a "verbal explanation" of the decision from the decision maker, which may include details of the assessment made by the third party and the legislation used.
If the claimant is not happy with that they can then ask for a "written statement of reasons" which is similar to the verbal explanation, but is written down and posted to the claimant. This can then be used to gather additional evidence to ask for a "mandatory reconsideration", in which case the mandatory reconsideration will be done by a different decision maker, including any additional evidence provided since the original decision was made. If the reconsideration has been done and the decision is not changed, then the claimant will be sent a letter confirming that and how to make an appeal against the original decision by contacting the tribunal service and going to court.

recording the assessment will not have any bearing on the original decision, that would still stand. It may be used as part of the additional evidence used in a mandatory reconsideration, or as part of a appeal. If you are going to have a reconsideration or appeal, you might be better getting medical evidence from your doctor, hospital reports, or other professionals.

this will be my only post on this, so make of it what you want.
.
It seems like a full understanding of the process may be required rather than just focusing on recording an assessment on the basis that you are going to be wrongly assessed and using a recording as your primary means to say that the decision is wrong.

have you hand a look at this publication on the governments website (I havnt read it)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...essment-handbook-for-healthcare-professionals

These so called assessments are mainly concerned with fulfilling quotas, and bear little or no relationship to any proper consideration of the facts related to each individual case. When the fact that almost all appeals are being upheld is taken into account, the possible savings being made by these skewed assessments may well be negligible.

I would guess the OP recording all that goes on in the approved manner, is very likely to encourage at least some degree of objective investigation of the facts of the case, rather than merely yes or no, simply on the basis of pinning the tail on the donkey, which I imagine is the common practice.

 

[ukracer]

if its a Work capability assessment for ESA, I understand that the assessment is done by a third party, ( which is what you are wanting to record). the assessment is then sent to the ESA decison makers who work for the DWP.
Once the decision is made, the decision maker will try and contact the claimant to let them know the outcome of the decision. If the claimant is not happy with decision they can ask for a "verbal explanation" of the decision from the decision maker, which may include details of the assessment made by the third party and the legislation used.
If the claimant is not happy with that they can then ask for a "written statement of reasons" which is similar to the verbal explanation, but is written down and posted to the claimant. This can then be used to gather additional evidence to ask for a "mandatory reconsideration", in which case the mandatory reconsideration will be done by a different decision maker, including any additional evidence provided since the original decision was made. If the reconsideration has been done and the decision is not changed, then the claimant will be sent a letter confirming that and how to make an appeal against the original decision by contacting the tribunal service and going to court.

recording the assessment will not have any bearing on the original decision, that would still stand. It may be used as part of the additional evidence used in a mandatory reconsideration, or as part of a appeal. If you are going to have a reconsideration or appeal, you might be better getting medical evidence from your doctor, hospital reports, or other professionals.

this will be my only post on this, so make of it what you want.

It seems like a full understanding of the process may be required rather than just focusing on recording an assessment on the basis that you are going to be wrongly assessed and using a recording as your primary means to say that the decision is wrong.

have you hand a look at this publication on the governments website (I havnt read it)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...essment-handbook-for-healthcare-professionals

Thanks for that mate. I actually do have a full understanding of the process especially the part that means that 45% of claimants are turned down. And that 60% of these are overturned on appeal. only 4% are overturned on mandatory reassessment.

my wife has been in receipt of DLA for 15 years following a severe stroke. she was assessed for a lifetime award of DLA and has now been called in to claim for PIP which replaces DLA.

imagine an adult who can't speak much and gets frustrated. Acts like 5 year old and has as much chance of ever working again as I have of becoming the next prime minister. But it's me who has to deal with the S×÷=% (sometimes quite literally on a daily basis)

If you read what I said above about times you will see why I don't trust the low life's to get it right......

 

[gaz1]

you have good cause to not trust them, i already have dealt with them as they are a set of tooth face liars

in the recent one they was caught lieing over distance the stupid idiots put 20 metres for the interview room and then doubled it too 40 metres for a building the laughable part the building isnt even 16 metres long

if you catch them within a lie it makes there statement null and void for the pip interview

 

[armalites]

@ukracer, I assume you are going to have to ask them if you can plug it in or do you have another plan? That may well be a sticking point if there no power sockets in the room. Standalone could be interpretted in different ways.

 

[Chris Stevens]

Ask if there are power sockets before attending interview, and if answer is no then say there is obviously a need to bring a small generator, which can be placed outside of interview room to reduce noise. Those responsible for attacking the very worst off in society, are really the scum of the earth, and I would guess are likely to have interview rooms without power to make recording more difficult.

 

[ukracer]

https://welfaretales.wordpress.com/...-when-we-recorded-a-pip-assessment-interview/

interesting.......so many people having very different experiences.

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[gaz1]

its not what ive been hearing either but since you started on the subject ive been adding new info

its also the first time ive heard about it being done by 2 separate machines as its normally like a police dual recorder like within an interview with them

 

[ukracer]

OK I am about to test the recorder and realised the mic I purchased has not appeared yet...checking Ebay the sneaky little people list in the UK but ship from China.

so maplins it is.

the input is 50kohm at 80mv +-20

so will this one work..

 

[rtbcomp]

m8c?

 

[Nick67GT]

I feel totally shocked having read this thread.

It's absolutely unforgivable that you and your wife are being made to comply with these unreasonable arrangements by the very people who are apparently here to help and support cases such as yours.

I sincerely hope that everything works out for you both in the very near future, with the minimum of impact on the wellbeing of your wife.

 

[WorkshopChris]

so will this one work..

Providing your input accepts a 1/4" Unbalanced Jack then should be OK, does your input have adjustable gain.

 

[gaz1]

I feel totally shocked having read this thread.

It's absolutely unforgivable that you and your wife are being made to comply with these unreasonable arrangements by the very people who are apparently here to help and support cases such as yours.

if you honestly think they are there to aid you please think twice the dwp system is biased against the people who claim it this includes pip esa and even the dole the system is now sanction first ask questions later

alot of the sanctions whilst claiming the dole are illegal and the new claiment commitment is based on what an advisor thinks without taking your circumstances into account esa and pip are the same