cd or tape recorders....DUAL.

[wookie]

2.7.11
Covert recording of consultations If the HP notices a claimant is covertly recording their consultation, the restrictions relating to the recording of consultations should be
explained to the claimant. If the HP is content to be recorded, the claimant is content to sign the agreement form and the claimant’s equipment meets the specified requirements, the consultation can
continue. If this is not the case the claimant should be asked to stop recording. If the claimant refuses, the consultation should be terminated and the case should be returned to DWP using the return
assessment function with reason failure to participate. The CM will consider whether the claimant has good reason for failing to participate in the consultation. If the only reason for failure to
participate is the claimant refused to stop recording their consultation, it is likely the CM will make a negative determination

A few ideas...

1. Possible loophole, Could you ring someone up and let them listen in on your interview ? you could say it's your "lawyer", no recording involved. If that would be allowed I'd have the "lawyer" live stream the interview on the internet, again no recording involved but that way you could have loads of witnesses listening in all willing to back you up as to what was said.

2. Are you allowed to take in a 3rd person who could note down the interview in shorthand, they could write on carbon paper so there would be multiple copies to go around at the end of the interview. You could then give the interviewer a shorthand copy (let them struggle to read it ) and you get both the short and the long version produced after the interview.

 

[rtbcomp]

^^ Re point 1 - a claimant may not want every Tom, Dick and Harry listening in to aspects of his private life.

 

[gaz1]

1, consent has to be gained
2, no need to give them a copy of the interview info

most are told to covertly record it then transcribe it to paper as this is admissible in a court of law as evidence

 

[mike os]

I would tell them I am recording this and if you want a copy you can record your own. That any requirement for me to do 2 simultaneous copies is unreasonable and impractical. .. and that a digital copy of mine is £25 a copy. And ask what that are trying to hide

 

[WorkshopChris]

I would tell them I am recording this and if you want a copy you can record your own. That any requirement for me to do 2 simultaneous copies is unreasonable and impractical. .. and that a digital copy of mine is £25 a copy. And ask what that are trying to hide

The problem is this would just be treated as not complying and everything you are entitled to stops. They almost have this sown up as a organisation they must rate as the most underhanded of all.

 

[wookie]

I think we have a business opportunity here, get suitable recording equipment and then rent it out to people attending these interviews.

As always with the benefits system, honest people that genuinely need help are treated like criminals while the proper skivers know how to work the system and milk it for all it's worth.

 

[graffian]

Tape two dictaphones to a shoe box, don't forget to make a loud beeeeeeeping noise when you switch them on.

 

[ukracer]

I think we have a business opportunity here, get suitable recording equipment and then rent it out to people attending these interviews.

As always with the benefits system, honest people that genuinely need help are treated like criminals while the proper skivers know how to work the system and milk it for all it's worth.

That was sort of my idea but instead of a business it would be a service. Free rental with refundable deposit.

Anyway I have bid , won and paid for an item pointed out by one of you lads.

twin decks in flight case.

All I need to do now is work out how to collect it from London.

 

[octo0072000]

you are correct no where does it say it BUT people that have taken 2 devices in have been refused use of them. Refusal to take the assesment means you loose the benefit.

it's normal practice for them to do this and also to ignore things you write on the claim form....for example my wife is never awake prior to 9.30 due to her medication and they were told this. yet they give her an 08.10 appointment. and have the audacity to produce a route planner that shows she will need to leave at 06.30 from Kidderminster. It's absolutely ludicrous.

you state due to medical problems you want a home interview as she is not capable of attending a center due to medication also lack of toilet facilities etc you need to speak to a benefit rights person before you go ask them to record it they must supply the recording facilities if you give them notice

have a look here well worth it
http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/

 

[wookie]

All I need to do now is work out how to collect it from London.

Where about in London ?

I'm sure we must have a member on here that lives close by that could collect and post it to you, If you don't have any other offers of help I'll ask my Aunty who lives in Brixton if she could help assuming it's fairly local to her for a favour....

 

[ukracer]

Where about in London ?

I'm sure we must have a member on here that lives close by that could collect and post it to you, If you don't have any other offers of help I'll ask my Aunty who lives in Brixton if she could help assuming it's fairly local to her for a favour....

cheers mate. the guy is happy for me to courier collect it but I am hoping to tie in with collecting Richards cooler and torch on the same day...but thanks for the offer.

P.S I dont know where in London yet and it's a big place. lol

 

[Chris Stevens]

That we can not get an answer to . See the FREEDOM of Information request.

Information we have is that when there they refuse to let you use two devices stating it must be one device. But then it's too late to get anything else.

I will be fitting a covert device under the wife's seat as backup but I would like the correct gear as well.

I do find it very draconian that they know they are abusing the system and yet they know it's damn hard for the average person to obtain the correct recording equipment....

They are uncomfortable with recordings for obvious reasons, but I think you will find the final decision isnt going to alter much even if you are overtly recording the interview.

They rely on people not appealing decisions, and I feel if you present your side of matters in a way which will mean a dodgy decision will be overturned on appeal without any real doubt, and ask that the fact you WILL be appealing any decision which has been made without full consideration of the facts of your case, to be recorded at the outset, think this would be far more effective than messing around with recording.

The attacks being made on claimants, sick, elderly, unemployed, etc etc, are financially driven and I would guess that a successful appeal is going to cost them a fair amount, so might be well worth carefully considering the above, and to record as well if you have the gear now.

 

[500e]

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=n...m1x4XPAhXsDMAKHeiVDo4QsAQILw&biw=1280&bih=705

 

[gaz1]

your forgetting one thing you appeal against the decision you lose all benefit until it has been sorted out then you will get back pay if you win your case

its dirty geared that you will suffer if you dare appeal against the decision made against you

watch out for the question has the machine been calibrated before use as thats what is supposed to happen with the machine just try a test piece before you do record on that day

 

[Chris Stevens]

The idea is to make a very good case, and make it clear an appeal will be lodged if the facts presented are not properly considered.

This stuff is all about hitting targets (related to benefits removed or stopped), and if a case is well presented and an appeal will certainly result in the event of a decision related to meeting targets rather than consideration of the facts, I would guess there is a far better chance of being dealt with fairly, as every successful appeal costs them money.

 

[ukracer]

OK the tape decks have arrived today. now I need a couple of mics.

Any suggestions....cheap and functional not looking for outstanding performance as long as they pick up what's being said.....hence I need two.

is this any good?

or these?

 

[WorkshopChris]

What type of input do you have is it through a mixer then out to the recorders?
this is the type of thing normally used in theses situations.
https://www.studiospares.com/Microphones/Mics-Other/Studiospares-SB400-Boundary-Mic_449520.htm

your not after high quality but good vocal clarity and non directional coverage over the area. most general microphones are very directional.

 

[Chris Stevens]

OK the tape decks have arrived today. now I need a couple of mics.

Any suggestions....cheap and functional not looking for outstanding performance as long as they pick up what's being said.....hence I need two.

is this any good?View attachment 91048

or these?

View attachment 91049

What do you hope to achieve by recording? Are the recordings admissible if you need to appeal any decision? If you have a strong case, then covert recording might be better? If your case isnt cast iron, then recording may well antagonise them, and make them try very hard to find against you?

 

[ukracer]

What type of input do you have is it through a mixer then out to the recorders?
this is the type of thing normally used in theses situations.
https://www.studiospares.com/Microphones/Mics-Other/Studiospares-SB400-Boundary-Mic_449520.htm

your not after high quality but good vocal clarity and non directional coverage over the area. most general microphones are very directional.

no mixer....I guess I am going to need to fit a pre amp.

which end is the Mic on that thing??

 

[rtbcomp]

You need to find out what the input impedance of the recorder is, the microphone impedance needs to be as close to this as possible.