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[TechnicAl]

I'm gonna back track on my post here and ask the question.
@TechnicAl the whole "deoxidise" thing in these Ms fillers. When it's single, double, triple etc is that because it contains 1,2,3 deoxidising elements like silicon or zirconium or does it de oxidise the steel 3 times. That makes no sense to me because Id of thought once deoxidised it's done ???????? Why the need to do it again????? Might be a stupid question and perhaps I'm the only one that doesn't know???????

True......you can only deoxidise once
The double triple etc are misnomers really.
Its the steel thats deoxidised NOT the weld. Silicon is the main dexodiant but if you put in more than 0.4-0.6% the metal becomes brittle, so they also use the Ti / Zr etc. They also work at different temperatures should the melt cool in the crucible / tundish.
The weld doesnt need deoxidising its being protected from Oxygen etc by an inert sheilding gas.

 

[Tinbasherdan]

We've been through this I'm not really gonna hussle him.

In all seriousness I'll help any one out if I can and noods knows this but he's a busy man working crazy hours so I'll simply leave at "the door is always open"
I'm not the neatest Welder or most knowledgable guy on here but I have faced pretty much every hurdle known and learnt one way or another how to over come it. I did not take to it like a duck to water. I was fascinated by it and admired guys that did it so lots of perseverance and not giving up along with a shot at a company willing to put time in with me got me going. 17 years on 10 of those full time tigging Alu the rest tigging what I want when I want and I'm in a position to pass on a few trade secrets. I still use a Tig torch daily but it's for my own jobs that I take on and in my time. Much more enjoyable IMO.

You're far more knowledgable than me, and sometimes although I know the answer, you have a lot better way of explaining yourself than I do!

 

[Richard.]

True......you can only deoxidise once
The double triple etc are misnomers really.
Its the steel thats deoxidised NOT the weld. Silicon is the main dexodiant but if you put in more than 0.4-0.6% the metal becomes brittle, so they also use the Ti / Zr etc. They also work at different temperatures should the melt cool in the crucible / tundish.
The weld doesnt need deoxidising its being protected from Oxygen etc by an inert sheilding gas.

Thanks Al.

 

[Chris Stevens]

Seems a shame that the OP isnt any closer to getting his problems sorted, than before he posted. Seems like he is putting a lot of effort in, getting nowhere, and the possibility of his machine being faulty, or him not being able to see properly, dont seem to be as important as discussing technique, and even the possibility of the wrong rods being to blame?

 

[TechnicAl]

Seems a shame that the OP isnt any closer to getting his problems sorted, than before he posted. Seems like he is putting a lot of effort in, getting nowhere, and the possibility of his machine being faulty, or him not being able to see properly, dont seem to be as important as discussing technique, and even the possibility of the wrong rods being to blame?

Do you know the answer?

 

[Chris Stevens]

Do you know the answer?

I think as he seems to have been having problems for a long while, it would probably be a very good idea to have his machine properly checked. His situation is exactly the same as someone I know who had been struggling to weld for a year, whose problems werent down his lack of experience, but were linked to a faulty machine.

 

[TechnicAl]

I think as he seems to have been having problems for a long while, it would probably be a very good idea to have his machine properly checked. His situation is exactly the same as someone I know who had been struggling to weld for a year, whose problems werent down his lack of experience, but were linked to a faulty machine.

Thats good advice

Lots better than your previous post...........Thanks

 

[Noods]

Go and see Richard he'll sort you - take your stuff with you .
Oooor plan b , I'm working near Ipswich at the moment and got some nice 6013's in the van . Stick it together !
While I can't help with your tig I can let you have a go with a decent lid , you might do better if you can see what's going on .

What a nice Guy..

 

[Richard.]

Seems a shame that the OP isnt any closer to getting his problems sorted, than before he posted. Seems like he is putting a lot of effort in, getting nowhere, and the possibility of his machine being faulty, or him not being able to see properly, dont seem to be as important as discussing technique, and even the possibility of the wrong rods being to blame?

We are all trying to help him. Keyboards and miles between us does tend to make for a challenge.
Sorry about the questions with the consumable Chris but That wasn't for noods Benefit that was for me . Paul and Al have nicely explained the answer to a question I wanted to know about A15,A17,A18 fillers
Single,double,triple is based on the number of agents present in the filler doing the deoxidising rather than the amount of deoxidising it does. I didn't know that for sure.

 

[Chris Stevens]

If you want info about fillers, then why not start a thread related to this?

 

[waddycall]

Noods - do you have a mig? If so it might be worth snipping off a foot of mig wire and having a go with that as filler.

 

[Noods]

You're far more knowledgable than me, and sometimes although I know the answer, you have a lot better way of explaining yourself than I do![/

Noods - do you have a mig? If so it might be worth snipping off a foot of mig wire and having a go with that as filler.

Sorry mTe no I don't have a mig... Went back and tried again today.. Tested for gas leaks couldn't find any, went to 1.4 rod... No better, just hours of absolute C*+*
I've got myself so low really not sure I can stomach much more of it... X

 

[Chris Stevens]

Sorry mTe no I don't have a mig... Went back and tried again today.. Tested for gas leaks couldn't find any, went to 1.4 rod... No better, just hours of absolute C*+*
I've got myself so low really not sure I can stomach much more of it... X

Why not take the machine to LWS and get it checked? Seems very much like a machine issue to me.

 

[zx9]

Noods, I have been standing back whilst the experianced Tigers mull this over but my two pennies worth:
The fried bacon sound is not the HF start is it ? I am thinking my Parweld is almost silent on DC after the HF cuts out.
Second thought - do you have a good return on the work, a poor return would cause allsorts of problems, been there got the T-shirt.

 

[Richard.]

Sorry mTe no I don't have a mig... Went back and tried again today.. Tested for gas leaks couldn't find any, went to 1.4 rod... No better, just hours of absolute C*+*
I've got myself so low really not sure I can stomach much more of it... X

You need to make contact with someone noods. Whether it be a member or elmdale or anyone that can physically see the problem at hand. Throwing "try this solutions" isn't working. It really isn't working and your getting pxxxxd off now.
My suggestion.
Put it away, forget about it for now . Find your self a free bit of time and take your complete set up (reg to ceramic and everything in between ) to someone who knows what that set up should do. Let them have a look at it. If it's faulty or leaking or whatever it will be picked up immediately. And then you know. If it's your eyes or technique you'll know that too if the guy you take it to gets it singing. And then it's just a case of adjustments etc.
Don't go trying it out every day hoping for results. Let someone help you out mate. That's not giving up its just been resourceful.

 

[Noods]

Noods, I have been standing back whilst the experianced Tigers mull this over but my two pennies worth:
The fried bacon sound is not the HF start is it ? I am thinking my Parweld is almost silent on DC after the HF cuts out.
Second thought - do you have a good return on the work, a poor return would cause allsorts of problems, been there got the T-shirt.

No mTe the frying bacon sound was constantly there, as someone said earlier it seems to just boil the steel almost... Ceramics get really quickly a graphite rough edge to them too.. Went to a 1mm rod and 1.4 electrode.. Same problems.. Just out of control really either dosent seen to want to build a pool or it goes the other way and melts the stock.. Sorry what is a good return? Sorry for my ignorance..

 

[Noods]

Why not take the machine to LWS and get it checked? Seems very much like a machine issue to me.

I would take it to LWS mate but where? It's been back to elmdale already...

 

[Brad93]

Even if it costs you £30 in petrol to drive a few hours, bit of beer money for some tuition, its better than spending time and essentialy dead money on gas and consumables at home, not getting anywhere.
Myself, I went an saw Richard, about an hour's drive from me, I used Richards TIG since my errors were purely not being on the the right settings and really just not being confident in feeding the puddle, with the pedal, little things that all add up to a big picture. If you can take your TIG to him and your gas I'm sure he would be able to track down the issue.
I got into this state myself about three years ago, where I didn't use my TIG for months, started thinki g what a waste of money, Im never going to be able to do this, and all because I was reading all this conflicting information online with no guidance and I was getting horrible welds. It wasn't until I started having some help from this forum and YouTube that I got the hang of it, then actually got into production TIG welding just from doing it as my hobby. That is when I went and saw Richard and that morning really gave me the confidence to move forward, I've now left that job, the boss was pretty annoyed that I was leaving and didn't stop saying how much I had come on tryi g to keep me there.
Believe me when I say once you've been shown how, properly, you will progress.

 

[Chris Stevens]

I would take it to LWS mate but where? It's been back to elmdale already...

If LWS no good, you will need to travel, or ship it somewhere. Your problems are almost certainly machine related, and it might be worth calling one of the places who specialise in repairing inverter machines, and describing your problems.............

 

[Richard.]

I would take it to LWS mate but where? It's been back to elmdale already...

And if it's still not right elmdale is where it should be going again. It's such a simple little machine with really nice Dc welding characteristics that you should of got somewhere by now. Put it away till your in a position to see someone that can confirm if it's doing what it should.