Anyone in a Skills Exchange?

[Ross365]

For those are aren't, and don't know what they are, see https://www.lovemoney.com/news/62268/skills-exchange-swap-trading-time-bank

No doubt the common reply will be that "I just use all my mates". I live out in the sticks and a Skills Exchange would be good as tradesmen don't want to come out here. I've been told they are hard to set up and operate.

 

[Cato]

I'd say that this would be the sticking point.

The modern version usually works on a time basis, so that one hour of everyone’s time is worth exactly the same amount.

I can't see many plumbers wanting to exchange a boiler service for having their lawn mowed for example.

 

[gaz1]

whilst that might be fine in the sticks where access to trades might be difficult its actually taking paid jobs

as goes for another comment and i will be taking it into gov based

where training centers are provided so that job hunters can get there training done by these so called job training schemes

so much for the job training schemes when exchange swap has to come into it

id rather put my time out to teach young people different trades than have them sat on there backsides

 

[Cato]

id rather put my time out to teach young people different trades than have them sat on there backsides

A good point, and given how things are now with trades and skills/knowledge in general, a much more pressing issue.

 

[Ross365]

whilst that might be fine in the sticks where access to trades might be difficult its actually taking paid jobs

Where we live, the attitude of many tradesmen is that they can get all the work they want in the local town, and anything more than a couple of miles outside that is of no interest whatsoever. Of course, those that do venture further out can demand whatever price they want. When I first moved here, there were local guys in the villages, but they are all long gone (as is the local garage, post office...).

I'd be happy to do some DIY jobs in return for (say) some gardening or whatever. However, we really need one or two people who have actually been in an Exchange to comment on them.

 

[stuvy]

Where we live, the attitude of many tradesmen is that they can get all the work they want in the local town, and anything more than a couple of miles outside that is of no interest whatsoever. Of course, those that do venture further out can demand whatever price they want. When I first moved here, there were local guys in the villages, but they are all long gone (as is the local garage, post office...).

I'd be happy to do some DIY jobs in return for (say) some gardening or whatever. However, we really need one or two people who have actually been in an Exchange to comment on them.

Where abouts are you in the county?

I have mates in different trades one charges mileage from the moment he jumps in his van, don’t like it don’t use him. He has never advertised and doesn’t need any extra work

My other mate is a plumber and is always late meeting us as he’s just been to see a customer on the way to the pub or go out on our bikes
Thing is he doesn’t advertise either

Unless it was something they couldn’t do themselves they wouldn’t be up for it

As a time served mechanic and welder you’d be amazed how often I get messages or calls “can you just do this or have you got”

My time costs money and free time isn’t ready available

 

[gaz1]

Where we live, the attitude of many tradesmen is that they can get all the work they want in the local town, and anything more than a couple of miles outside that is of no interest whatsoever. Of course, those that do venture further out can demand whatever price they want. When I first moved here, there were local guys in the villages, but they are all long gone (as is the local garage, post office...).

I'd be happy to do some DIY jobs in return for (say) some gardening or whatever. However, we really need one or two people who have actually been in an Exchange to comment on them.

to put it very blunt i would move to an island and teach the younger ones there what i know

thats whats wrong with this day and age too many selfish in it for themselves attitude

and to be honest id be glad of the help

and i do a mutlitude of jobs ranging from electronics right up to building propertys yet my favorate job happens to be the demolision side of it
i kinda enjoy getting a sledge hammer out and smashing that wall down just as much as being outside with a rocket burner burning all of that wood

though id probably build a community center and use the rockets tove reference to heat the place up and also use the rocket stove boiler that i have

but thats me

 

[gaz1]

A good point, and given how things are now with trades and skills/knowledge in general, a much more pressing issue.

i found the governements back to work schemes as payments for the companies to profit from theres no training never has been

the men in sheds really does seem to have that all in use already and does a much better job than those government schemes

trades with skills and knowledge has been on a downward spiral and if you include digital well thats only for lazy people sat on there backsides ( just a comment of mine )

thats whats wrong with these places within the sticks yes its nice to live there but as goes for jobs in the area theres not much to do unless your a multi jobber person thats why so many leave as its not worth there time as they wont get far

thats why it costs alot to get anyone to go there and some dont want the job as its not worth the time or money or even doing the job unless your willing to pay double the amount

only same as an island with say 100 people on it jobs and trades are multi with very little money value passing hands

theres always a bigger picture when you live in the sticks

 

[armalites]

I like the idea of it but sadly humans always mess stuff up. There will always be the question as to whether one persons time is worth more than anothers. There will always be people who will take more than they give and vice versa.

 

[gaz1]

Where we live, the attitude of many tradesmen is that they can get all the work they want in the local town, and anything more than a couple of miles outside that is of no interest whatsoever. Of course, those that do venture further out can demand whatever price they want. When I first moved here, there were local guys in the villages, but they are all long gone (as is the local garage, post office...).

if i was to rip your own comment apart

on the first part was the local guys doing the job but refused to teach others of this job as wasnt family so they wouldnt teach others the trade as it would be lost income for themselves, you can only have so many hands in the pot in local areas

whilst these guys also took time or more often than not the ackward wait for parts to arrive we as customers are the worst we want cheaper and will take it out of the local area for cheapness
we are just as guilty for causing the situation thats now being seen

 

[tom2207]

id rather put my time out to teach young people different trades than have them sat on there backsides

Trouble is that today they are as well off doing nothing ,,,,

 

[gaz1]

Trouble is that today they are as well off doing nothing ,,,,

thats not the issue never has been

jobs are scarce there even more rarer in local areas

the issue with most jobs is they dont pay enough for a teenager to get a job and pay the bills charges ( rates, gas, water, elec, rent ) they are much better off sat on there backsides claiming

theres just no point going to work and living well below the bread line in debt as you cant afford it

 

[Lewis_RX8]

Bartering would be a good way to benefit each other and avoid taxes and everyone else who adds nothing to the process taking their skim off it even banks charging a few percent here or there for payments etc all add up and take money away.

 

[Cato]

on the first part was the local guys doing the job but refused to teach others of this job as wasnt family so they wouldnt teach others the trade as it would be lost income for themselves, you can only have so many hands in the pot in local areas

I don't agree with that as a general reason. Most of the trades I have known over the last 20 years or so don't have apprentices because of the cost to them and the way labour laws are set up to protect an employee but only actually work for large employers. For a one man band having an employed apprentice not only adds considerably to the cost of doing business but also reduces productivity. Anyone doing so finds that they are no longer competitive as customers don't want to pay a higher price for a job compared to a single tradesman.

As with so many things the short term view has landed us in this position, and that view is held by everyone from the gov't down to Mrs Jones wanting a job done. Yet no one wants to pay the extra involved in starting to put it right.

 

[Cato]

the issue with most jobs is they dont pay enough for a teenager to get a job and pay the bills charges ( rates, gas, water, elec, rent ) they are much better off sat on there backsides claiming

Apprenticeships never have. The principle (rightly or wrongly) has always been that you take short term immediate low pay in the knowledge that when you've done your time you get the benefit. People (including teenagers) want everything now so are reluctant to invest in their own future.

 

[stuvy]

I don't agree with that as a general reason. Most of the trades I have known over the last 20 years or so don't have apprentices because of the cost to them and the way labour laws are set up to protect an employee but only actually work for large employers. For a one man band having an employed apprentice not only adds considerably to the cost of doing business but also reduces productivity. Anyone doing so finds that they are no longer competitive as customers don't want to pay a higher price for a job compared to a single tradesman.

As with so many things the short term view has landed us in this position, and that view is held by everyone from the gov't down to Mrs Jones wanting a job done. Yet no one wants to pay the extra involved in starting to put it right.

A few years back a place I worked decided to get an apprentice

After all the paperwork and hoops they said they wouldn’t have bothered if they knew how daft it was going to be

Worked at another place and it was the exact same thing

 

[gaz1]

I don't agree with that as a general reason. Most of the trades I have known over the last 20 years or so don't have apprentices because of the cost to them and the way labour laws are set up to protect an employee but only actually work for large employers. For a one man band having an employed apprentice not only adds considerably to the cost of doing business but also reduces productivity. Anyone doing so finds that they are no longer competitive as customers don't want to pay a higher price for a job compared to a single tradesman.

As with so many things the short term view has landed us in this position, and that view is held by everyone from the gov't down to Mrs Jones wanting a job done. Yet no one wants to pay the extra involved in starting to put it right.

whichever way it still comes back to the customer and the customer has created the issue

in with local areas that is worse and then you get the op thats states what they state as they and others in there areas have caused the issue that they created

 

[gaz1]

Apprenticeships never have. The principle (rightly or wrongly) has always been that you take short term immediate low pay in the knowledge that when you've done your time you get the benefit. People (including teenagers) want everything now so are reluctant to invest in their own future.

everything now attitude is caused by the parents

 

[stuvy]

everything now attitude is caused by the parents

Sadly that’s correct for a lot but not all

Social media is more to blame

 

[Robotstar5]

Apprenticeships never have. The principle (rightly or wrongly) has always been that you take short term immediate low pay in the knowledge that when you've done your time you get the benefit. People (including teenagers) want everything now so are reluctant to invest in their own future.

I found that, when I left school and went into an apprenticeship some of my mates who went into unskilled/labouring jobs were earning twice as much as me, but 4 years later when I got my quals i was on twice as much as some of them