A surprising cost comparison - ICE / EV

[Robbie260]

the ferries belching smoke on there way out of the harbour are fine tho

Shipping is still the most environmentally friendly way of moving cargo point to point.

 

[pint]

Shipping is still the most environmentally friendly way of moving cargo point to point.

depends what metric you're measuring. air quality is going to be worse then say an electric train or cargo bike

 

[mtt.tr]

This feels like reading the sun

 

[Farside]

This feels like reading the sun

You'd better put your auto dark on for that.

 

[Robbie260]

depends what metric you're measuring. air quality is going to be worse then say an electric train or cargo bike

You do have a point there but there isn't enough power in the UK or infrastructure and most cargo trains still use diesel electric locomotion. Per ton moved, per km, per ton of emssions a ship can move many times over what a train can.

 

[J1nx]

The new ford F150 lightening which you will have to import from the states with the steering wheel on the wrong side. I'm kinda ashamed to admit I kinda like it. All its quoted ranges are whilst full loaded so should be able to tow a decent distance.

Still thing the JCB hydrogen engine is the most sensible and practical way to go. Not only from the point of view it fits the social norm but preserves jobs from the oil and gas sector etc.

It will come I’m sure but the f150 may just scrape through my very generous constraints, here’s Cnets comments…

OK, maybe there's one compromise: towing. Ford says the Lightning will go between 230 and 300 miles on a charge, depending on configuration. Ford is also saying the truck will tow up to 10,000 pounds. In isolation, those numbers sound good. The problem is that Ford hasn't combined the two and quoted any range figures while towing. I'm guessing that's because the numbers won't be good. Admittedly, it's hard to blame Ford for not wanting to reveal its numbers in this area first, because there doesn't seem to be an established industry range-testing procedure for towing and hauling with EVs (let alone any rivals' numbers to compare with). That's as much an industry failing as it is Ford's. Car and Driver estimate that the range under full load may be as little as 100 miles.

Ford have also invested in Rivian I believe, a promising vehicle but up a price bracket even before it hits UK soil.

Hydrogen does currently look like a solution that could get close to what people expect, and got from legacy towing vehicles, but battery may well get there given time. Ford took over 40 years to go from Model T to the first F150.

 

[8ob]

You do have a point there but there isn't enough power in the UK or infrastructure and most cargo trains still use diesel electric locomotion. Per ton moved, per km, per ton of emssions a ship can move many times over what a train can.

They are efficient, about 576mpg per ton according to this https://www.conservationfund.org/images/programs/files/CSX_Final-Curriculum.pdf

Bob

 

[willie.macleod]

The new ford F150 lightening which you will have to import from the states with the steering wheel on the wrong side. I'm kinda ashamed to admit I kinda like it. All its quoted ranges are whilst full loaded so should be able to tow a decent distance.

I must admit I like the specs as well. Not that fussed on the design, but it looks like the designers actually asked users what they would like for a change and have implemented a decent amount of features like the onboard inverters - the 9.6kW version will be a game changer for a lot of users enabling them to do away with a lot of generators.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Another glimpse of the future.

Bet some lil darling would chop that to see the sparks.

 

[lchris21]

Another glimpse of the future.

Bet some lil darling would chop that to see the sparks.

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why bother chopping it when you can get much more fun from the compensation of errrmmm.....tripping over it Looks like the latest revenue generator for the blame claim industry

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

why bother chopping it when you can get much more fun from the compensation of errrmmm.....tripping over it Looks like the latest revenue generator for the blame claim industry

Just unplugging them knowing there gonna run out of juice halfway to work would delight them I'm sure

 

[redlig]

Just unplugging them knowing there gonna run out of juice halfway to work would delight them I'm sure

More subtle than just running a key down the side.

 

[willie.macleod]

Looks like a neat solution for charging cables crossing pavements, a lot better than the cable protector ramps for the likes of pushchairs/wheelchair users. Most cables can be locked in position to help avoid nefarious behavior like unplugging, and a good percentage of owners will have apps which can monitor the cars state of charge and alert on things like early charge termination.

 

[dobbslc]

Is that metal channel bonded?
Is the cable UV resistant?
No mechanical protection to the cable...
That sort of lash up will never pass regs.
It's a total joke the government thinking everyone will have an electric car in not many years time.
Terrace streets are not easily made EV friendly.

 

[indy4x]

Just unplugging them knowing there gonna run out of juice halfway to work would delight them I'm sure

Not sure that this is a feature on all EV's but on the I Pace the charging lead locks into the socket on the car, only way to remove it is with rhe remote key fob thingy

 

[willie.macleod]

Is that metal channel bonded?
Is the cable UV resistant
No mechanical protection to the cable...
That sort of lash up will never pass regs.
It's a total joke the government thinking everyone will have an electric car in not many years time.
Terrace streets are not easily made EV friendly.

Doubt very much that channel would be bonded, it's not part of the charge point installation. Cable will be UV resistant, it's designed to spend a large part of its working life outside in all weathers. The channel is the mechanical protection to the cable and should be all that is required. For an EV charging set up on the street, that certainly doesn't appear to be a "lash up" and I can't see why it wouldn't pass regs. As we can't even see the charge point, it is a moot point - the blue cable is a user supplied part (which will be removed between charges) and looks far less of a hazard with the neat routing than nearly every other street charging setup I've seen. I agree that terrace streets are not easily made EV friendly!

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Not sure that this is a feature on all EV's but on the I Pace the charging lead locks into the socket on the car, only way to remove it is with rhe remote key fob thingy

Aye. I was jesting.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Is that metal channel bonded?
Is the cable UV resistant?
No mechanical protection to the cable...
That sort of lash up will never pass regs.
It's a total joke the government thinking everyone will have an electric car in not many years time.
Terrace streets are not easily made EV friendly.

That's a mid beds council project.

 

[Edward Teach]

I think I'll park HERE for today

 

[Blobber]

Another glimpse of the future.

Bet some lil darling would chop that to see the sparks.

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All these cables are going to be nice when the dogs or local drunks have emptied their bladder over them, hopefully all EVs will come with a box of disposable gloves!