2004 Diesel Freelander, yay or nay ?

[OJCar]

I spoke to a friend who used to love his Frogloader 1
He suggested Bell Engineering to give you an idea of what to look for.
https://www.bellengineering.co.uk/fault-symptoms

 

[Blobber]

We've waited all this time and no picture!

 

[Smallfry]

There's something called an IRD, sits on the side of the gearbox - on the manual cars this houses the diff if I recall? As well as the bevel gear for the rwd (which usually wears out due to farmers using these to tow cattle boxes). Its a strange affair with drive to the IRD going in on the outside shaft, and the output of the front diff coming back on another shaft inside the first one. It may be the autobox is ok, but the IRD is toast...
I have no idea if this applies the same on autos as manual, or how to diagnose it....

Autobox is the same setup, but as the propshaft has been removed, it should not affect the front wheels

First step in diagnosis is, is it manual or auto. How many pedals are there ?

If it is, in fact manual. An OBD scanner will not tell you anything about the clutch.

I have got a Foxwell scanner for these. Welcome to borrow if you pay the postage. I want it back though.

 

[Barking Mat]

Autobox is the same setup, but as the propshaft has been removed, it should not affect the front wheels

First step in diagnosis is, is it manual or auto. How many pedals are there ?

Deffo auto, two pedals.

 

[Smallfry]

Deffo auto, two pedals.

OK good. So the engine starts. Do you feel a slight bump as any gear is selected ? Does it try to drive at all ?

First thing is to check the gearbox fluid for level.

 

[Barking Mat]

OK good. So the engine starts. Do you feel a slight bump as any gear is selected ? Does it try to drive at all ?

First thing is to check the gearbox fluid for level.

Yeah, no, it's doesn't do nothing, apparently, only got it 'home' this eve, not even tried, but the engine runs sweet.

Yes, will check that first, probably drain it, and refill. ATF ?

Got gallons of that at work.

 

[qwakers]

could be as simple as a broken cv.

 

[Barking Mat]

I want to know if I have to take the gearbox off, because I'd love to avoid that if possible.

 

[qwakers]

start by finding out what happens when you put it in drive. if it doesnt move, leave the handbrake on and it in drive and look underneath to see if anything turns. id expect broken driveline before knakered gearbox.

 

[Barking Mat]

start by finding out what happens when you put it in drive. if it doesnt move, leave the handbrake on and it in drive and look underneath to see if anything turns. id expect broken driveline before knakered gearbox.

I'll try that tomorrow, thanks.

 

[Dave H2]

Check the gear shift actually does anything

 

[Barking Mat]

Check the gear shift actually does anything

In what respect ?

The lads I bought it off seemed 100% sure it was a clutch issue as it slowly got worse.

But they didn't inspire me in their mechanical know how, nice honest guys though.

 

[qwakers]

autoboxes do have 'clutches' that are better known as brake bands that can wear out, although it takes a lot of abuse to do so.

Knowledge Centre | Penrite Oil

Automatic transmissions do not have a solid style conventional clutch like manual transmissions. Instead, they use a fluid coupling called a torque converter to transmit power from the engine to the transmission. The changes in the ratios by the planetary gear sets (as distinct from hypoid or...

penriteoil.com.au

 

[qwakers]

I'll try that tomorrow, thanks.

i would qualify that with check it has the correct amount of ATF in it first.

 

[Dave H2]

As in is the shifter connected to the box? Levers can get put on backwards

 

[Barking Mat]

autoboxes do have 'clutches' that are better known as brake bands that can wear out, although it takes a lot of abuse to do so.

Knowledge Centre | Penrite Oil

Automatic transmissions do not have a solid style conventional clutch like manual transmissions. Instead, they use a fluid coupling called a torque converter to transmit power from the engine to the transmission. The changes in the ratios by the planetary gear sets (as distinct from hypoid or...

penriteoil.com.au

I can see days of pain incoming. Thanks.

i would qualify that with check it has the correct amount of ATF in it first.

I'll flush and refill, a couple of times, see what happens. Thanks.

 

[dobbslc]

start by finding out what happens when you put it in drive. if it doesnt move, leave the handbrake on and it in drive and look underneath to see if anything turns. id expect broken driveline before knakered gearbox.

Don't run yourself over though
I wouldn't trust an old Land Rover handbrake, put it up against an old stone wall then try it

 

[minimutly]

I would jack the front up, two wheels off the ground, spin one forward. If the other doesn't turn backwards time to remove the IRD. (Assuming of course both driveshafts are intact). The info that it constantly got worse over time doesn't point to a shaft or IRD failure though.

 

[Smallfry]

DO NOT USE STANDARD TYPES OF ATF IN THIS. Dextron 2 or 3 will bu**er it up in short order. Maybe the previous owners have done this and is the cause of the problem ?

It used a specific type of fluid. ATF N402

It is most likely an internal solenoid problem hopefully which does not need the gearbox removing, however make it easy by taking the front bumper and crashbar off and possibly the radiator.

Just a thought, check the shifter cable is connected and working.

 

[minimutly]

I just google. freelander1 jatco, bad news is these are not as relliable as you might think. In fact I would say you are going to be learning quite a lot about Jatco auto boxes @Barking Mat ...
Time to look for a replacement box methinks, but make sure you get known good one, the breakers must be full of knacked ones...