16amp fuse instead of 13 in a plug.

[gordon stephenson]

Same as BS, ran my Pickhill 180amp from a 13A plug with no problems ever.

 

[brightspark]

^^^^^ you haven't swapped it for a 6mm gutter bolt have you

nooo just soldered a bit of 16 amp wire across the blown 13 amp fuse same on the compressor no discolouration or overheating on the pins in socket or the plug

 

[skotl]

I'm pretty sure its single phase not 3 phase.

No, you cant install a 16a fuse in a 13a plug.
Not least because I dont think you can get 16a fuses that size and if you could the socket would catch fire.

You can use the welder on a normal 13a plug with a 13a fuse. You might find the fuse blows if you turn the welder up to fill power.
If that happens you would need to have a blue socket installed for it and fit a blue plug to the welder.
Or just replace the fuse with another 13a one and turn the welder down a bit.

I agree with all of that, except for:

if you could the socket would catch fire.

I'm not suggesting for a second that someone try it, but if you pull more current than the socket, plug and cable are rated for then it's way more likely that the cable would suffer first. Either way, it wouldn't be fun to find out!

 

[sparkysy]

Newer plugs and sockets the pins tend to suffer thermal damage first and weld themselves into the socket face. (You see it a lot with dishwashers and washing machines) But yes if the flex wasn't suitably sized it could also melt, but most flex is 70 degree rated so would have to get reasonably warm before that happened! The fumes from the flex getting warm would be the warning signs that something was amiss.

 

[brightspark]

ive seen a lot of sockets and plugs burn out and overheat with a 3kw fire plugged in its a constant load so gets very hot . I find a welder not a constant load so diversity comes to play unless your welding continuously

 

[sparkysy]

Yes you tend to see most it where an appliance isn't unplugged very often and has a high reasonably constant load!

 

[fizzy]

To get you going just put a 13 amp plug on it for the moment - I reckon you would get pretty close to full power out of that, a 13 amp fuse will take more than 13 amps for a good period of time before it blows. To fit a 16 amp socket you would need to get your garage wiring checked out by an electrician to make sure it’s suitable - but I bet it will run fine from a standard plug.

Spot on. I run my Clarke mig230TE with a 13amp plug. It works all day long on 1 setting down from max. Will weld 6 to 8mm no probs. I can run it on max but it pops fuses pretty often then.

 

[Dragnet]

The point of fuses is to protect the cable and prevent wiring fires. Modern plugs are getting iffy when used at 13A all day long and should be checked often. I can't see you're going to have a problem using your welder with the plug it was supplied with. Unless you are welding continuously on the highest power settings...as in fifteen minutes at a time without letting go of the trigger. You're going to trip the welder's thermal overload before that. In my experience of some quite heavy practising, the welder is actually on for no more than a few minutes at a time as setting up and checking take nine tenths of the 'welding' time.

 

[eddie49]

This rather special 13A plug will accept cable up to 16mm in diameter with 4mm2 cores:
https://www.analogueseduction.net/uk-mains-plugs/ms-hd-power-13a-uk-mains-plug.html
However, it is for the audiophile market, so priced accordingly !

 

[roblane65]

all those leads are doing is connecting a higher rated ( 16 amp ) type of plug back to a lesser rated domestic plug 13 amp
a sort of reverse action really just to enable connection. at least if it pops the trip you won't need a screwdriver tt replace the 13amp fuse. thats a bi pricey for a plug !

 

[anto44]

This rather special 13A plug will accept cable up to 16mm in diameter with 4mm2 cores:
https://www.analogueseduction.net/uk-mains-plugs/ms-hd-power-13a-uk-mains-plug.html
However, it is for the audiophile market, so priced accordingly !

£99 for a bare plug for the same price in lidl you can get a plug with a length of wire and a welder hanging out of it

 

[Gritineye]

This rather special 13A plug will accept cable up to 16mm in diameter with 4mm2 cores:
https://www.analogueseduction.net/uk-mains-plugs/ms-hd-power-13a-uk-mains-plug.html
However, it is for the audiophile market, so priced accordingly !

One review says the black one's a bit flimsy, but this chap seems to think the blue ones do a good job...

 

[fizzy]

Remember the rubbish European 2 pin plugs are rated at 16amps so I am sure British ones will cope

https://www.euronetwork.co.uk/Rewir...EHKjkSjxkr3OQxmLZSw_byyEN7N5vDw0aAqyGEALw_wcB

 

[Wozzaaah]

Assumed the welder came with a 16amp plug. My bad.

As a rule, anything that requires 13A or less will come with a standard 3 pin moulded plug attached but if it needs a supply greater than 13A it won’t come with a plug.

 

[pedrobedro]

Remember the rubbish European 2 pin plugs are rated at 16amps so I am sure British ones will cope

https://www.euronetwork.co.uk/Rewir...EHKjkSjxkr3OQxmLZSw_byyEN7N5vDw0aAqyGEALw_wcB

One of my welders has a Euro plug and a 13 amp conversion to UK plug,you just put the Euro plug in and snap it shut best of both worlds.

 

[dobbslc]

^^^ fatigue free listening^^^
What a loads of bxxxxxx!

Doesn't take into account all the old loose connections throughout the house wiring and all the cheap imported crap plugged in around the house causing interference! Maybe I should start flogging this stuff.

 

[brightspark]

This rather special 13A plug will accept cable up to 16mm in diameter with 4mm2 cores:
https://www.analogueseduction.net/uk-mains-plugs/ms-hd-power-13a-uk-mains-plug.html
However, it is for the audiophile market, so priced accordingly !

save your dosh just put the 16mm cables in to an adaptable box and a bit of 2.5 flex in to the plug. does the same job and only about 3 quid mind u you wouldn't impress your geek mates if u didn't fit the overpriced plug anybody with an ounce of sense would just hard wire that size lead in and fuse accordingly. less connections

 

[Yamhon]

One of my welders has a Euro plug and a 13 amp conversion to UK plug,you just put the Euro plug in and snap it shut best of both worlds.

My Chinese made welder came with a European Schuko plug and it makes a really strong reliable connection easily, even came with a dust cover for when not in use. Didn't realise when I bought it, that the plug would be higher quality than the welder itself lol.

 

[doubleboost]

Old style plug with solid pins much better quality than the modern ones

 

[sparkysy]

That's a proper 13a plug!! I have some of the even older 15a round pin plugs from years of yonder somewhere they were a proper plug too!
Some still used in a village hall I do work on for their aging theatre lighting.