Vertical stick feed back please

[tom2207]

try a box of 7018ac ,,,, they will always be handy to have about too ,,

 

[little harry]

You been looking at my vertical up?

Cheers much appreciated

Looks like 6013 rods to me. A difficult place to start.
What settings?

I'd try some 2.5 7018s and see how you get on

Everyone has to start somewhere so don't give up just yet.

Have you got the hang of downhand welding yet?
You can't beat arc time but I really really hate 6013 for anything other than a straightforward fillet.
They do leave a nice bead ripple though.

Yea 6013 Downhand is that on the flat

 

[Dcal]

Cheers much appreciated

Yea 6013 Downhand is that on the flat

Yes, on the flat

 

[little harry]

I would experiment with different amperages,welding travel speed, and rod angle, and if you're not tied to 6013, try other types of rod. Just some things to think about . At the end of the day it's only welding practice, and skill comes with time burning rods. You'll get it mate.

Thanks

 

[little harry]

What rods ? 6013 ?

What amperage are you using? Your welds look cold. Also are you running in straight lines or weaving a bit. What ever the amperage range on the box is I would start at the lowest setting and gradually work higher taking note of what happens to the weld, also just let the rod burn in straight lines at first to get a feeling of how the rod wants to burn.

Will do cheers

 

[little harry]

Start with a vertical fillet. It is easier. Vertical butt should be two pieces with a bevel. The bevel will help you and guide your rod some
Have you mastered the horizontal flat position yet?

Thanx will have ago

 

[Barking Mat]

As I think as has been said 7018's need DC.

 

[Jelly_Sheffield]

As I think as has been said 7018's need DC.

There are a handful of AC compatible ones.

But I think the rod type (in terms of the AWS Classification Number) is a complete red herring here.

6013's are fine for the vast majority of work that doesn't need low hydrogen, but there's a huge diversity of types available, with significant differences in quality and usability.


When I asked a similar question a few years back (improving my overhead welding*), I was Recommended to use "Magmaweld ESR11" or "Hilco Red" they both made a tangible difference to the quality of work I could do, the Magmaweld in particular.

So I would suggest that regardless of if they are 6011, 6013 or 7018AC, OP needs to buy a decent quality of electrodes, from a reputable manufacturer, which are specifically described as being for all positions and AC.

I would definitely suggest OP googles the specific name on the pack for his Lincoln rods to check they are specified for AC. Lincoln sells loads of different 6013 rods, some of which are DCEN and AC, some which are DC only or DCEP only.


Also, unless you have a substantially built oil-filled transformer welder, AC is just god-awful (even the oil filled ones are a bit naff if running on single phase)... Inverter welders are so cheap now there's no reason to persist with a buzz-box once you know you actually want to weld stuff regularly.


*FWIW my overhead stick welding is still dubious at best, but it's much better than it was. It's practice that's key.

 

[finyuk2005]

Also, lincoln 6013 rods vary greatly depending on price! the cheap ones are none better than no brand cheap as chips ones, but the more expensive "Pantafix" rods are night and day better,
I couldn't figure out why i couldn't do vertical up at collage with lincoln rods, but at work i could weld rusty fishing boats in any position with the also lincoln pantafix rods!

 

[zeppelin builder]

Looks like 6013 rods to me. A difficult place to start.
What settings?

I'd try some 2.5 7018s and see how you get on

Everyone has to start somewhere so don't give up just yet.

Have you got the hang of downhand welding yet?
You can't beat arc time but I really really hate 6013 for anything other than a straightforward fillet.
They do leave a nice bead ripple though.

they are great for stirring paint

 

[tom2207]

they are great for stirring paint

I use them for everything ,,, when you get used to them they are grand ,,,

 

[BrokenBiker]

Nothing wrong with 6013

 

[little harry]

Hi guys I would like to give a huge thank you to all the forum members who replied with lots of "helpfull advice/feed back". to my
Vert stick welding feed back post.
Consequently i decided to go back to basics and as I have only ever used the said140 Sip buzz box have borrowed a mates 180 Pickhill Bantam that I know produces good welds to practice with !!!
This comes with what i assume is a 16amp connector ie its a blue 110amp transformer look alike

 

[little harry]

Ps can anybody help with info
On how I would fit a suitable socket many thanks L H

 

[BrokenBiker]

yes its a 16 amp plug...get a 16 amp socket from screw fix, a length of decent flex, i think 2.5 is the largest you can fit, and a heavy duty 13 amp plug (because they have a larger opening for the thicker cable)...

make sure you have a 13amp fuse in the standard plug and be ready to blow fuses if you try to run it too high...but on a 2.5mm rod you should be fine.

i run all my welders off those blue plugs as it stops people wanting to borrow them, but i have a fly lead for when im working at someone elses house.

 

[little harry]

yes its a 16 amp plug...get a 16 amp socket from screw fix, a length of decent flex, i think 2.5 is the largest you can fit, and a heavy duty 13 amp plug (because they have a larger opening for the thicker cable)...

make sure you have a 13amp fuse in the standard plug and be ready to blow fuses if you try to run it too high...but on a 2.5mm rod you should be fine.

i run all my welders off those blue plugs as it stops people wanting to borrow them, but i have a fly lead for when im working at someone elses house.

Many thanks H

 

[More Amps]

yes its a 16 amp plug...get a 16 amp socket from screw fix, a length of decent flex, i think 2.5 is the largest you can fit, and a heavy duty 13 amp plug (because they have a larger opening for the thicker cable)...

make sure you have a 13amp fuse in the standard plug and be ready to blow fuses if you try to run it too high...but on a 2.5mm rod you should be fine.

i run all my welders off those blue plugs as it stops people wanting to borrow them, but i have a fly lead for when im working at someone elses house.

Just don't waste your time at Screwfix if you're after a proper heavy duty 13 amp plug - their "heavy duty" plugs only take a 1.5.mm wire. what you want is something like this, that will actually take a 2.5 mm cable.

https://www.designacable.com/heavy-duty-black-white-or-orange-uk-3-pin-plug-13-amp-hdpt13b-01-permaplug.html#:~:text=The%20plug%20allows%20for%20a,5mm.&text=Reviews%201-,Tough%20plugs%20made%20from%20hard%20rubber%20available%20in,%2C%20Black%2C%20White%20and%20Orange.

 

[Jackimus]

Is there such a thing as a 13A plug that can fit 4mm wire?

 

[More Amps]

Is there such a thing as a 13A plug that can fit 4mm wire?

I'm not saying they don't exist...

 

[eddie49]

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