Heating oil tank wobbles on supports!

[dobbslc]

It's an almost new Grant boiler with internal pump so I'll put any new tank at ground level. How much are concrete blocks these days?

 

[dobbslc]

Dry packing with sharp sand & Cement will create a load bearing gap fill but that original support couldn't be much worse if someone designed it to be.

For a temporary measure I'd get some 130mm 7n blocks build a spine wall down the middle and a pier each end then dry pack it. That would take out the wobble and support the tank bottom.

Sounds easy enough there's some bitumen tape between the old blocks and tank, do you reckon it would be ok to leave this out as its temporary?

 

[armalites]

If it was me I would drain it down into another tank bought cheap from marketplace then stick some lintles under it.

Something to be aware of is if you order over a certain amount you will fall under commercial vat rates. I think it's 2300L

 

[gaz1]

just go buy the 10.00 drums drain into them then find another use for them afterwards

i did find a few uses for a few drums

garden incinerator
secondary air fire pit

 

[reb78]

Something to be aware of is if you order over a certain amount you will fall under commercial vat rates. I think it's 2300L

Out of interest could you order 2300 and then another thousand a week or two later? I've just bought a 3500l tank!

 

[dobbslc]

I wouldn't trust my tank to hold 30000 liters!
I don't trust the piers to hold it up either!

 

[Mikes]

The requirements for double skinned / bunded tanks comes from DEFRA as far back as 2001 and was intended that all installations were upgraded by 2005. Interestingly, the requirements are retrospective. If anyone wants a copy of the Guidance Notes For The Control Of Pollution (Oil Storage) (England) Regulation 2001 it's downloadable from the DEFRA website.
Think I would be inclined to leave the tank as is and put all my efforts into procuring a new compliant set-up.

 

[awemawson]

If it was me I would drain it down into another tank bought cheap from marketplace then stick some lintles under it.

Something to be aware of is if you order over a certain amount you will fall under commercial vat rates. I think it's 2300L

I often order over 3000 litres at a time and only pay the 5% VAT rate (all domestic but 3 boiler systems on the farm) - (I usually use Boilerjuice for ordering)

 

[J1nx]

The requirements for double skinned / bunded tanks comes from DEFRA as far back as 2001 and was intended that all installations were upgraded by 2005. Interestingly, the requirements are retrospective. If anyone wants a copy of the Guidance Notes For The Control Of Pollution (Oil Storage) (England) Regulation 2001 it's downloadable from the DEFRA website.
Think I would be inclined to leave the tank as is and put all my efforts into procuring a new compliant set-up.

Just had a quick look, found the following:

The Regulations exempt any premises:
• used wholly or mainly as a private dwelling for domestic heating purposes, if the storage capacity of the container is of 3,500 litres or less.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...data/file/69255/pb5765-oil-storage-011101.pdf

 

[Mikes]

Just had a quick look, found the following:

https://assets.publishing.service.g...data/file/69255/pb5765-oil-storage-011101.pdf

Since the tank is single skinned and has a capacity of over 2500 litres then Part J of the Building Regulations applies and this is basically the same as the DEFRA guidance. Also contains limitations on position of the tank with regard to combustible buildings. looking at the original photo there is a building right next to it.

 

[J1nx]

Since the tank is single skinned and has a capacity of over 2500 litres then Part J of the Building Regulations applies and this is basically the same as the DEFRA guidance. Also contains limitations on position of the tank with regard to combustible buildings. looking at the original photo there is a building right next to it.

And that’s retrospective then?

 

[roofman]

So your tank full is about 3 ton...i would myself just build solid concrete blocks (flat) on each end and wedge full slates under the tank to fill the gap that's left..this should also stop it rocking with more support.

 

[DAPPH]

Out of interest could you order 2300 and then another thousand a week or two later? I've just bought a 3500l tank!

It depends up on the local regulations for storing fuel oil at domestic premises due to fire & leakage risks . I think they'll vary a lot over the whole of the UK so you'd need to check what the local authority says wrt it's heating oil storage regulations

 

[julianf]

Shameless thread hijack!


I've been skimming this thread as I need to build a support for a 1000 ltr (not the more usual 1200ltr) tank here. (Plastic, bunded)

I looked through doc j, expecting to find guidence on pillars etc but didn't find it. I'm sure I've found the required spec on slabs (if they're on the floor) before so I'm not sure if I'm just looking in the wrong place.


My plan (as it's what I have and it seemed right) was to do there pillars (the tank is 8 foot long) of 7n blocks on their face, and lay 4 2x3 (could be 3x4, I can't recall) pre stressed lintles over the top, and then a layer of 2 foot wide pavers - the ones that are about 44mm thick.


Does that sound adequate?

OR

Can anyone tell me where the guidance text is?

Thank you.

 

[dobbslc]

Since the tank is single skinned and has a capacity of over 2500 litres then Part J of the Building Regulations applies and this is basically the same as the DEFRA guidance. Also contains limitations on position of the tank with regard to combustible buildings. looking at the original photo there is a building right next to it.

The building is next doors garage and is over 1 meter away. The tank is probably the original one fitted when to old back burner fireplace was replaced over 40 years ago so who knows what regs were in place then

 

[DAPPH]

Shameless thread hijack!


I've been skimming this thread as I need to build a support for a 1000 ltr (not the more usual 1200ltr) tank here. (Plastic, bunded)

I looked through doc j, expecting to find guidence on pillars etc but didn't find it. I'm sure I've found the required spec on slabs (if they're on the floor) before so I'm not sure if I'm just looking in the wrong place.


My plan (as it's what I have and it seemed right) was to do there pillars (the tank is 8 foot long) of 7n blocks on their face, and lay 4 2x3 (could be 3x4, I can't recall) pre stressed lintles over the top, and then a layer of 2 foot wide pavers - the ones that are about 44mm thick.


Does that sound adequate?

OR

Can anyone tell me where the guidance text is?

Thank you.

Why do you need to elevate the tank ?
One sat on the floor on a slab set can't fall lower. See the photo's in my earlier posts. Lots of farmers use battery fuel pumps to fill their tractors etc as it's cleaner & rarely ever has leaks .

 

[mike os]

Just wedge it or pack with cement…ie maintenance… if you work on it it’s supposed to be fully compliant at the end.. best to just patch it up until you can do a proper replacement.

What you will need for your final tank and emplacement is best discussed locally … there are too many variables and local regulations to be sure if getting it right.

 

[julianf]

Why do you need to elevate the tank ?
One sat on the floor on a slab set can't fall lower. See the photo's in my earlier posts. Lots of farmers use battery fuel pumps to fill their tractors etc as it's cleaner & rarely ever has leaks .

Because half of it will sit on a retaining wall. Space is at a premium where its going - if i sit it in front of the retaining wall, then the car parking space becomes 15" shorter.

 

[gaz1]

Shameless thread hijack!


I've been skimming this thread as I need to build a support for a 1000 ltr (not the more usual 1200ltr) tank here. (Plastic, bunded)

I looked through doc j, expecting to find guidence on pillars etc but didn't find it. I'm sure I've found the required spec on slabs (if they're on the floor) before so I'm not sure if I'm just looking in the wrong place.


My plan (as it's what I have and it seemed right) was to do there pillars (the tank is 8 foot long) of 7n blocks on their face, and lay 4 2x3 (could be 3x4, I can't recall) pre stressed lintles over the top, and then a layer of 2 foot wide pavers - the ones that are about 44mm thick.


Does that sound adequate?

OR

Can anyone tell me where the guidance text is?

Thank you.

i believe its this one

https://www.commercialfuelsolutions.co.uk/downloads/oftec/T19_base_construction.pdf

also look into polution prevention guidelines

a quick read

Oil Storage Regulations

 

[gaz1]

borrowed pic reference

now 1,3,5 are the better builds in my eyes better support