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Didn't think road tax went on the roads.?I want to know when and how much road tax discount I'll be getting for all the roads I can't use in and around London now...
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A reality check (unlikely by any guv) would just keep ICE cars out of towns and citys. Then go easy on small ice cars in the country, but cane big ones. Make sure that people going into towns can 'park and drive' at reasonable cost, so their ice cars don't need to go and pollute towns.
Elsewhere, there was a discussion similar to this thread. Bloke was saying ' I have done OK and have the money, so why can't I drive my petrol Range Rover'. I quite strongly pointed out that he was exactly the problem. Find another way to spend your money and impress people, there are plenty available.
If the guv tries to suppress small ice vehicles, who suffers? The less well off, as usual..
As far as the UK is concerned, apart from air quality in towns, its contribution to global problems is very small. Not to say it can't be reduced, but a bit of thought, rather than grabbing headlines, would work quite well.
Elsewhere, there was a discussion similar to this thread. Bloke was saying ' I have done OK and have the money, so why can't I drive my petrol Range Rover'. I quite strongly pointed out that he was exactly the problem. Find another way to spend your money and impress people, there are plenty available.
If the guv tries to suppress small ice vehicles, who suffers? The less well off, as usual..
As far as the UK is concerned, apart from air quality in towns, its contribution to global problems is very small. Not to say it can't be reduced, but a bit of thought, rather than grabbing headlines, would work quite well.
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I've never had a credit card. Never had a loan (exc car insurance etc)
Always bought vehicles outright.
Feel like I'm being forced Into the same rat race as the rest of the country.
New vehicles are wasted on me. I use em hard and don't worry about a ding or two. Get my money's worth and when they're uneconomical to continue running move it on
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I’m all for EV, I’m hoping my next car will be one, but…
I am in a small minority and I’d really like to be able to tow (2.2t would prob do me but ideally the full 3.5) occasionally, it would cause me great inconvenience but granted it’s not a ‘need’.
Will the ranger be able to tow that weight at motorway speeds for any distance at all?
As for the Bollinger, I could buy 2 hiluxs for 100k, it just makes no financial sense. It’s a novelty item at best, I know I won’t see any farmers in one and the only builders that might buy one would probably spend half the day in the gym and have an instagram page!
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I've no idea what a Ranger EV might tow, probably no point speculating, but I would guess it would have decent range at motorway speeds. We drive the Leaf at 70 and range doesn't suddenly drop.
The Bollinger is a very big vehicle, and not mass market so not a good example but it is very functional. You can put long lengths through from front to back and get 8x4 sheets in it. Too big for me but my inner kid still wants one
There was a chap on the local radio yesterday who offers a service to converting ICE cars to electric.
Spouting all sorts of crap (in my opinion) which was all based on how much you can save because of no fuel tax and cheap electricity etc. Justifying his 20K-200K conversions costs on the basis you will save that much over the next 20-25years.
Except you would have to keep the same car for 20 years, I don't believe electric car 'enthusiasts' fall into the keeping a car for that long category.
The government (whatever party) is not going to keep giving EV owners a free ride for the next 20 years.
And his main answer to people complaining about the cost was to 'get finance like you have to for any new car' ...
It really does seem to me that you have to be pretty well off to be 'green'.
By the time we can afford to be, there will be a new band waggon to be jumped on and EVs will cost as much to run as ICE do now
I'm happy to be corrected but from what I've seen in a EV group I'm in you have to pay the original ICE rate of VED even after conversion there isn't a way to get the rate changed to free.
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I’m struggling to see the problem, secondhand ICE/hybrid cars are going to be around for a good while yet
But this evangilism on route to the holy grail does 2 things.
1 it ignores how battery power is generated..including cables. Digging holes. Transporting etc etc
2. Just keeping ICE out of towns just damages business and does nothing for all this carbon neutral ,Co2 debacle as it's still being generated out of town and gets into the atmosphere..,.......plus I don't trust any of them. Too eager to head off in the green direction (must be making money along the route).
ANYTHING we do is like a needle in a haystack unless China and India do the same.
It's Pedantic about road tax being used for roads.
It's revenue where ever it comes from.
Cyclists don't pay road tax. VED whatever people choose to call it but they can still use roads and the vast majority use the pavements. So yes it's victimisation always has been always will be. People who live in the country find cars essential and those are the places not going to get charging points......just look at broadband.
And I am not granted BUT most services are now destroyed. Decent shops non existent and it's our kids and grandkids who will suffer for all this extra "greentax"
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Again, I’m struggling to see what shops being non existent has to do with EV? They were gone/going years ago, before EV was even a thing - at least around here.
EV is supposed to save the world is it not?
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It’s probably at best a stepping stone to something else, but it might save some oil in the meantime. I doubt it’ll make the shops reappear though
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My sentiments entirely,
I shall carry on as I intended,
The human race is its own worst enemy,
And selfishly,
I do not care,.
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I know, but still feel robbed!
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EVs are neither here nor there when I hear the nonsense that our politicians are spouting regarding heat pumps and replacing boilers. EVs at least I can see working for a reasonable % of the population, poorly installed heat pumps thrown into badly insulated housing is going to lead to massive increases in demands for electricity. Or a good % of the population getting very cold and forgetting what hot running water is like as they won't be able to afford to run the thing.
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Until it becomes uneconomical to run ice.
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When I got a grant for the pellet boiler I had to prove I had decent insulation as part of the application. Hopefully that hasn't changed.
Output from heat pumps tend to be lower temperature than gas or oil, 40c versus about 60c otherwise the efficiency is crap and your spending loads on electricity. This means you need bigger radiators or higher underfloor pipe density.
The latter caught me out and is why I went biomass not heat pump, my underfloor heating pipe density was designed for up to 60c input. When I sent my old underfloor drawings to the heating engineer, he said we would struggle to get desired temperatures within reasonable costs.
So swapping a gas boiler for a heat pump isn't always easy.
Output from heat pumps tend to be lower temperature than gas or oil, 40c versus about 60c otherwise the efficiency is crap and your spending loads on electricity. This means you need bigger radiators or higher underfloor pipe density.
The latter caught me out and is why I went biomass not heat pump, my underfloor heating pipe density was designed for up to 60c input. When I sent my old underfloor drawings to the heating engineer, he said we would struggle to get desired temperatures within reasonable costs.
So swapping a gas boiler for a heat pump isn't always easy.
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Only if bullshite baffles brains
Just a way of avoiding all the other glaring issues that would disrupt the status quo
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Do tell. I'm sure that there are one or two here on the forum whose imaginations might be running riot
