Bandsaws will probably be banned now

[brightspark]

well if that's the bandsaw they were using im not surprised it has no guard on the front of the blade that can be slid up and down to suit the thickness of material without exposing the blade .I wire them up in schools put guards on them and safety switches and stops on them . a firm comes in once a year and inspects every machine and gives a safety certificate on them

 

[CompoSimmonite]

At one place I worked the joiner cut off his thumb with a band saw. Got it sewn back on but never worked properly

 

[willie.macleod]

No wonder they don't let kids use machinery anymore!
Bandsaws are dangerous. It's a fact. As are lathes and all the other machines we use.
How will poor kids learn if they are just stopped from doing anything interesting?

Most Scottish schools won't let pupils use bandsaws. Every woodwork room is likely to have one, but it is nearly always locked off for teacher use only - this isn't the first and unfortunately won't be the last individual to lose digits on a bandsaw in a classroom. What concerns me is HSE saying that the pupil was not adequately supervised, would be interested to find out more about what that means in practice? Was the teacher in the room, what were they doing? @Parm does the HSE publish these cases, I would like to see what was deemed inadequate about the supervision.

 

[steviec_lj]

Just one of the reasons we don't make stuff in this country anymore...

No, it’s because shipping an item from China in a Container is cheaper than making it in the UK and transporting it on the roads.

Well, that and all the red tape

 

[Ton-up]

well if that's the bandsaw they were using im not surprised it has no guard on the front of the blade that can be slid up and down to suit the thickness of material without exposing the blade .I wire them up in schools put guards on them and safety switches and stops on them . a firm comes in once a year and inspects every machine and gives a safety certificate on them

I hope thats an example of 'how not to do it' as wearing gloves and hand pushing in line with the blade is wrong too!

The worst example of using a bandsaw recently was one of the guys building Binky. He was pushing washer type things in with his thumb half inch from the blade!!

 

[Welderpaul]

We had a Clarke Mig at my school, no one knew how it worked, it perhaps never did.
I built a trailer for my GCSE DT so took my own stick welder in to do it and ended up teaching the DT teacher how to stick weld on an afternoon. He was a young studenty type teacher so was a good laugh. Still see him every so often.

We were allowed to use any of the kit that was in school, we were always taught the right way to use things. The teachers had their standard issue story about a student loosing fingers that they would churn out everytime a demonstration was given to frighten kids into working safely.

 

[Wallace]

I left school in 81. They wouldn't let us use the Tom Senior Mill the Harrison VS or the chopsaw. Not because we hadn't been taught, but for the reasons I gave earlier, and those who just wanted to trash school property.

(I was the one of youngest in the yr so stayed on into the ‘lower 6th’ I had pretty much free use of the metalwork shop then, they would let me machine my own projects in school time. I built a 12" black powder 1/2" bore cannon one term)

Same year as me. I was allowed do use the mill as I took my Fathers Clarkson cutters in. I remember someone riding the donkey saw, starting the forge blower and gas without lighting it to see who could get the best whump! when it lit, safety glasses seemed optional and not being allowed on the polishing mop unless you removed your canvas apron. Our Metalwork Teacher told us about a lad who had undone his waist tie and thrown the apron over his shoulder to undo the neck tie while someone else was using the mop and it wrapped round pulling him tight by the throat, luckily the tie broke as he hit the bench. The Teacher said he was in my brothers class 11 years previously, my brother remembered it as you would. They changed the aprons to non tie up neck with a 30mm wide band and after the incident he told the school board he would not be held responsible for allowing us to use the mop with an apron on, we would have to go home dirty! Mopeds on the benches being repaired and gas braized, casting alloy in your shirt and tie just like the books. (Sigh) Those were the days.......

 

[8ob]

Our metalwork teacher was a gem, he would have us building motorcycle engined go-kart parts during lessons, he gave up his own time after school so we could spank them around the tennis courts or playing fields.

Bob

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

I was allowed to pour my own molten aluminium into sand moulds at school...skimmed them flat...also did a load of lathe work too.

How times have changed...not all for the better!

 

[Shox Dr]

Our metalwork teacher was a gem, he would have us building motorcycle engined go-kart parts during lessons, he gave up his own time after school so we could spank them around the tennis courts or playing fields.

Bob

sadly one of my Metal work teachers died last yr, he and another used to do all sorts after hours. Great teachers.

 

[frank horton]

we had 2 wood work teachers........1 wouldn't let us sharpen anything ie chisels plane blades etc........
the other one said u can't use blunt tools n show'd us how.......
mad world......
I also enjoy teaching the young.......but not Morons.....any mucking about n they r GONE........

 

[indy4x]

I left school in 81. They wouldn't let us use the Tom Senior Mill the Harrison VS or the chopsaw. Not because we hadn't been taught, but for the reasons I gave earlier, and those who just wanted to trash school property.

(I was the one of youngest in the yr so stayed on into the ‘lower 6th’ I had pretty much free use of the metalwork shop then, they would let me machine my own projects in school time. I built a 12" black powder 1/2" bore cannon one term)

I left in 83, we were allowed to use lathes if you were doing Engineering Workshop Practice, unsupervised and no chuck guards to get in the way

 

[Shox Dr]

I left in 83, we were allowed to use lathes if you were doing Engineering Workshop Practice, unsupervised and no chuck guards to get in the way

I did the EWTP. Made a small vice for my exam, haven't seen it for a longtime

 

[ronan]

How times have changed...not all for the better!

That applies to so much now in life, i wish i were born 50 years earlier.

 

[Al Strachan]

oh for the days of the techy teacher launching a hammer at you from the other side of the room for leaving the key in the lathe chuck.....

 

[grim_d]

I injure myself occasionally, most recent I got "shot" in the face with a steel tube.

People say I'm careless and accident prone, well really the opposite is true, I take safety seriously and attempt to mitigate risk where possible, unfortunately not all risk can be eliminated when using machinery.

What they don't realise is that sitting in the house on Facebook is unlikely to result in an injury, it's not that I'm accident prone, it's that I actually get off my bum and do something.

Like everything else there's an appropriate middle ground where things are good, but then it always goes way too far, ever noticed that a fair whack of old boys are missing bits of finger? That's when things were unsafe.

Not allowing anyone to do anything other than watch someone use a machine on YouTube...that's too far.

 

[brightspark]

That applies to so much now in life, i wish i were born 50 years earlier.

and know what u do now you would be a billionaire

 

[Ali]

I recently changed about 15 bandsaws in various schools on one council contract. The reason was the old ones were fitted with electronic DC injection brakes but if there was a power cut or the teacher hit the stop button to kill power to the room the brakes wouldn’t operate. New machines now have electro magnetic brakes. Most of the schools could have really done with having the money spent on other very urgent safety matters in the technical departments which were being ignored, or generally better facilities for the kids across the whole school. Made me sad to be honest.

 

[Keith 66]

I worked as a D&T Technician for the last 17 years. NO school in the country should be allowing kids to use bandsaws its been prohibited for a long time at least 12 years, Default safety training scheme is run by DATA (design & technology association) & acreditation lasts 5 years before refresher training. Mine ran out just before i packed it in but i dont intend to go back so am not bothered.
I feel sorry for kids with a desire to do practical stuff as its been devalued to the point its national criminal negligence.
My son is now 24 when he went to Uni to do electrical engineering was one of just two lads on his course who had any practical experience whatsoever, But then dads workshop is pretty well kitted out!

 

[bump]

Humn.... I'm a big fan of getting rid of health and safety in the non chemical world and in turn increasing employees rights to tell management where to go.

Can't figure out that climbing into a running pressbrake is a bad idea? That's cool, we don't want you breeding.

Loose sleeves on the lathe? Yep that's fine just don't come crying for compo.

is it wrong to think we need the **** law?