Would this annoy a plumber/ch engineer

[mtt.tr]

. Same should apply to any chosen profession (providing it is carried out correctly).

Couldn't agree more,

 

[addjunkie]

Sadly rife in the offshore and Marine industries...

I'm a functional alcoholic, if I'm honest with myself, always have been, some days harder to function than others... Too many years away for weeks / months at a time....

The best tech I ever worked with, was useless for the first three days of a trip, half cup of soup for dinner, because he'd spill the rest otherwise. Used to shake like a witchdoctors rattle... Every one knew, even the OIM would ask is John on solids yet ....... I used to laugh, but 20 years on I'm the same......

Since this is a welding forum. I knew a welder who did a great weave while drying out. same thing 3 or 4 days. Probably wouldnt get through the heliport now.

 

[MCKDAVID]

Aye was touch and go at bristows Etc a few times... Overseas was easier as we were either the company man or main contractor, so went through easy enough...

 

[Trevorleach]

with lead and copper ast one time was worth taking the scrap away

nowadays its not worth it

its either price waste removal or let the customer get rid of there rubbish and its getting worse

as goes for scrap in emersion heaters and copper piping really not worth the 10-15.00 the plastic and the rest of the rubbish removal really makes it not worth removing the junk

I was under the impression scrap is very high at the minute?

 

[Trevorleach]

When daughter and granddaughter was with us we had a “free” boiler installed. The condensate drain leaked, had to re-do it, the oil feed leaked, had to re-do that. The lash up in the loft on the flue had to be seen to be believed. Cowboys, or at best trainee cowboys. Anyway, got a new boiler out of it.
My mate’s a car mechanic - does the tech stuff as well as servicing/engines etc. Lump all that together and his level of knowledge has to be huge, yet his pay is pants. His brother is a plumber - needs a fraction of the skill but payd twice what his brother is.

The plumber wont need half the tools the mech needs, I reckon the plumber may need 10 to 25 percent of what the mech needs, and this is why mechs are getting thin on the ground.
Plus of course the plumber/sparky and builder bob will expect the mech to service their car/van for a drink!

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

The plumber wont need half the tools the mech needs, I reckon the plumber may need 10 to 25 percent of what the mech needs, and this is why mechs are getting thin on the ground.
Plus of course the plumber/sparky and builder bob will expect the mech to service their car/van for a drink!

Why does it feel like your victimising the plumbers and trades for mechanics low wages. That's down to the owners.

While a plumber/trade might be booking his 300 a day that's not what he's earning is it.



As for getting someone to fix work vehicles for a drink. Meh. Time is money. Van goes In The garage and gets flipped as quickly as possible and I foot the bill.

 

[pressbrake1]

Why does it feel like your victimising the plumbers and trades for mechanics low wages. That's down to the owners.

While a plumber/trade might be booking his 300 a day that's not what he's earning is it.



As for getting someone to fix work vehicles for a drink. Meh. Time is money. Van goes In The garage and gets flipped as quickly as possible and I foot the bill.

I’m in Essex, plumbers and sparks are God’s. Chippies not so much
A trade here’s idea of a day is 6 hours for your £300-£400
I’m considered a semi skilled piece of crap in Essex (and I’ve got my out of date 16th as well!) and my day is expected to be min 8 hours work for £120 if I’m working self employed in another shop

Most ordinary people have to do 3 to 4 days work to pay for a trade for a day . Hence the comment that a few hundred of scrap extra bunce is to cover the two rubble sacks is a insult to a bottom feeder turd like me

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

I’m in Essex, plumbers and sparks are God’s. Chippies not so much
A trade here’s idea of a day is 6 hours for your £300-£400
I’m considered a semi skilled piece of crap in Essex (and I’ve got my out of date 16th as well!) and my day is expected to be min 8 hours work for £120 if I’m working self employed in another shop

Most ordinary people have to do 3 to 4 days work to pay for a trade for a day . Hence the comment that a few hundred of scrap extra bunce is to cover the two rubble sacks is a insult to a bottom feeder turd like me

Again. That's not the plumbers fault is it? That's your industry setting the rates.

Just tell them to leave the waste/scrap before they quote if it's that much of an issue for you

 

[pressbrake1]

Again. That's not the plumbers fault is it? That's your industry setting the rates.

Just tell them to leave the waste/scrap before they quote if it's that much of an issue for you

I don’t use them as a rule, as despite being a thick metal worker I do a much better job
You make me sound like a minge but taking £200 of scrap when you’ve already pulled someone’s trousers down is not a automatic right

 

[Gareth J]

The situation is exacerbated by the relatively high earning power of tradesfolk. I doubt it makes financial sense for a plumber with van, mortgage and family etc to spend the time properly sorting and grading the scrap bits, let alone reselling usable bits s/h. So their idea if its value is negligible.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

I don’t use them as a rule, as despite being a thick metal worker I do a much better job
You make me sound like a minge but taking £200 of scrap when you’ve already pulled someone’s trousers down is not a automatic right

If removing waste is on the quote and you accept it then it's fair game.

I also do 90% of my own plumbing and as much cable pulling as I can in advance. Though the plumbers and sparks I do use aren't rip off merchants and charge a fair rate for a full day. Sparks did two days on my last job. He was there from 7:30 to gone 6 both days.

Plumber did one hour visit to cap hob feed and test. And a following visit of 2 hours to plumb in new hob and cap off exposed feed under the floor. Billed me £130

I don't feel ripped off. And he didn't want the scrap

 

[pressbrake1]

The situation is exacerbated by the relatively high earning power of tradesfolk. I doubt it makes financial sense for a plumber with van, mortgage and family etc to spend the time properly sorting and grading the scrap bits, let alone reselling usable bits s/h. So their idea if its value is negligible.

Most people have a vehicle to get to work even if work is £10 per hr job
All the plumbers I know love the scrap! Local scrap yard sells packs of new pipe weighed in by contractor plumbers

 

[Pete.]

The situation is exacerbated by the relatively high earning power of tradesfolk. I doubt it makes financial sense for a plumber with van, mortgage and family etc to spend the time properly sorting and grading the scrap bits, let alone reselling usable bits s/h. So their idea if its value is negligible.

There's no selling-on of useful bits all they do is sort copper from brass/braziery. It takes a minute and it's very worthwhile and certainly isn't negligible at a fiver a kilo. A couple of hudred quid for 10 minutes sorting and a brief stop-off to weigh it in.

 

[bricol]

The situation is exacerbated by the relatively high earning power of tradesfolk. I doubt it makes financial sense for a plumber with van, mortgage and family etc to spend the time properly sorting and grading the scrap bits, let alone reselling usable bits s/h. So their idea if its value is negligible.

Sold my spare small guillotine to a plumber so he could chop up pipe to jam in the van to weigh in.

Watched one over the road spend quite a while chopping up and separating out the stuff he'd pulled from a job.

Certainly makes a big difference when you weigh in separated metals rather than "mixed", even for the few kg I weigh in every-so-often.

 

[pressbrake1]

Tbh I accept scrap as one of the perks and good luck

It was the statement that scrap is to help with costs got my goat especially when it’s well paid and there businesses like me with horrible costs and if I have scrap it’s because I’ve ruined a job!

 

[Rrunnach]

I honestly wouldn’t know what to do with it.

I made a nice outside garden planter from my old HWT using the top domed end. other parts went to me making windchimes, which look good when the verdigris appears.

 

[Rrunnach]

I'm certainly not trade bashing, we all have different and varying skills width. As a fab/welder myself, I've heard the usual, "you just stick metal together" but those who make such comments, don't know about (when on the tools) welds certs re-stamped every six month, or change of job, sit a weld test. HVCA pipe strangler/welders, have to re-test every three year, if they fail, CSCS card will not be upgraded until a satisfactory pass is achieved. We have our HVCA apps complete their end test on pipe @ 6G, if individual not comfortable, "2G & 5G" is required. A pass give the app a year long provisional welding certificate, which will be on their CSCS card. And of course in my game, BSEN 1090 is a mandatory requirement for structural steelwork.

Plumbers, I would say are in a very similar vein, they need to know about the principles of plumbing, and through their training, move on to gas, with an end test required for individual to work with gas. Then of course, retest every (not sure on timescale) to keep their Gas Safe tickets current, and of course, working on gas without a current ticket, is illegal. With all the latter being domestic gas. Moving to commercial gas, goalposts move, but retesting to keep certs current takes time and money.

As said at the start, we all have our own skillset, if an individual can make a good living using their skillset, good on them.

 

[fizzy]

All this talk makes me think of one person!

 

[Rrunnach]

Here is what I did with my old HW cylinder, top part is the actual top of cylinder, all plasma profiled and the leaf feature folded back over round bar. The base is an old milk type churn, was painted black until I recycled it.

A fitting end to both components, which I still have, this summer it served as a Bee Bomb.

 

[addjunkie]

I’m in Essex, plumbers and sparks are God’s. Chippies not so much
A trade here’s idea of a day is 6 hours for your £300-£400
I’m considered a semi skilled piece of crap in Essex (and I’ve got my out of date 16th as well!) and my day is expected to be min 8 hours work for £120 if I’m working self employed in another shop

Most ordinary people have to do 3 to 4 days work to pay for a trade for a day . Hence the comment that a few hundred of scrap extra bunce is to cover the two rubble sacks is a insult to a bottom feeder turd like me

Id not bother, go buy a lawn mower and set yourself up as a gardner, or cleaner. Weve a cleaner in our village self employed wants 18.50 an hour! Something is wrong somewhere!