Welding rods

[chrisg3103]

not a problem mr muggins, to be honest i never knew what i had was desperate for rods one day so went to mcluskeys and bought what ever they had in stock. so if you want bohler 6013's you know were to go

will post some pics of your sip rods in your thread once i get to the workshop, not expecting any great revelations though, those things were pants

 

[Muggins the Mug]

not a problem mr muggins, to be honest i never knew what i had was desperate for rods one day so went to mcluskeys and bought what ever they had in stock. so if you want bohler 6013's you know were to go

will post some pics of your sip rods in your thread once i get to the workshop, not expecting any great revelations though, those things were pants

Here's a wee photo of the rods that Chris left me earlier today.

Regards,

Ian.

 

[simon718]

Muggins those phoenix rods arent as nice as the blue box bohler ones, if you like ill post you a dozen or two over to play with

 

[Muggins the Mug]

Muggins those phoenix rods arent as nice as the blue box bohler ones, if you like ill post you a dozen or two over to play with

Hi Simon,

I'm always interested in trying a few to see what works best for me. Sorry to sound dense, but are the blue box Bohler widely available?

Regards,

Ian.

 

[aero]

I find with the red box pheonix rods if you run them with the current 5-10 amps over what you would normally they work better. Nothing like as nice as the Oerlikon rods I was using last year though.

 

[Muggins the Mug]

I find with the red box pheonix rods if you run them with the current 5-10 amps over what you would normally they work better. Nothing like as nice as the Oerlikon rods I was using last year though.

Hi aero,

The Phoenix ones that Chris gave me, are they the red ones your talking about?

Regards,

Ian.

 

[irondarren]

I just got a shed load of rods, various assorted ones where somebody has cleared out there garage, plenty of lastek ones there 1010, 1001, 20, 005, plus various e612 disimilars, cast rods, cutting rods. I might snap a few photos of the various types. funny thing is there is only one box of 6013 unbranded, i do remember seeing some 6012s

 

[simon718]

Hi Ian, the blue box bohlers should be widely available, alot of people rate them highly, i definatly prefer them over the phoenix ones. And i think your right, the phoenix ones will have been in a pink/red box, take it you didnt see the rods in the box?

While were on the subject of rods, i really want to try some of the other spec of rods (7024 etc.) but i'm led to believe they need a higher OCV than that of my teeny little welder, is this the case with them all??

 

[Muggins the Mug]

Hi Ian, the blue box bohlers should be widely available, alot of people rate them highly, i definatly prefer them over the phoenix ones. And i think your right, the phoenix ones will have been in a pink/red box, take it you didnt see the rods in the box?

While were on the subject of rods, i really want to try some of the other spec of rods (7024 etc.) but i'm led to believe they need a higher OCV than that of my teeny little welder, is this the case with them all??

Hi Simon,

Sorry I didn't, Chris gave me them out of his rucksack and couldn't remember the brand other than it sounded "german".

Regards,

Ian.

 

[chrisg3103]

indeed they are the red box rods, never knew there was such variety! didnt go looking for bohler, just what was in stock

 

[snowcat]

bohler do about 6 types of 6013s, the Phoenix ones have a rutile/cellulose based coateing which makes the electrode all position, including vertical down, something that many 6013s are not capable of...

you may be comparing them to a bohler sus, the extra silicon will wet the weld and give a more flow able pool.....but there only a rutile coated so are not a full true position rod..

If you've got the initials after the bohler stamp, I could tell you the exact characteristics of the rod....

 

[Muggins the Mug]

bohler do about 6 types of 6013s, the Phoenix ones have a rutile/cellulose based coateing which makes the electrode all position, including vertical down, something that many 6013s are not capable of...

you may be comparing them to a bohler sus, the extra silicon will wet the weld and give a more flow able pool.....but there only a rutile coated so are not a full true position rod..

If you've got the initials after the bohler stamp, I could tell you the exact characteristics of the rod....

Hi snow,

The only markings that I can see on the whole rod are the ones on the photo in my previous post.

Regards,

Ian.

 

[snowcat]

Hi snow,

The only markings that I can see on the whole rod are the ones on the photo in my previous post.

Regards,

Ian.

Hi, they would be the Phoenix which are the all positional, cel/rutile coated, also good for small transformers AKA a buzz box...

I just wondered what the blue box bohlers were that they were compared with, they would too have something written on em

 

[Richiew]

They market Bohler Fox Sum in a blue box. Might have been those.

 

[simon718]

also good for small transformers AKA a buzz box...

Snowcat can you recommend any other spec of rods i could try? Managed some reasonable looking vert down beads on a bit of plate with the rods muggins posted a pic of, havent tried with the blue box ones, which i think are the ones Rich mentioned. Cannot manage to get anything that looks remotely like a bead uphill, just blobs of messy weld, but havent been practicing much at the moment

 

[scarecrow]

Snowcat can you recommend any other spec of rods i could try? Managed some reasonable looking vert down beads on a bit of plate with the rods muggins posted a pic of, havent tried with the blue box ones, which i think are the ones Rich mentioned. Cannot manage to get anything that looks remotely bead uphill but havent been practicing much at the moment

I'd be interested Snowcat in what you would consider to be the best vertical up Rod around

 

[Drains]

I'd be interested Snowcat in what you would consider to be the best vertical up Rod around

I bet he says Comet 7016's

Or maybe Lincoln Hyrod 7018's, after Xmas.

I'd say any 7016/7018 for weldability and looks, but you can do a decent uphill with a good 6013, and a messy looking one with a 6010.

It aint the rods anyway, if their half decent, it's the operator

 

[snowcat]

On a 6013 a bohler SPE is an excellent out of position rod, your quite right si, the UTP Comets 7016 are also very good, Bohler do make an EV47, 7016 which is supposed to have out of position characteristics, but iv only ever used the UTP side of there range....

those Phoenix you have Simon should handle pretty well tho, the addition of cellulose on the coating helps.....some call these a fast freeze rod, which is not strictly true thats a 6010/11, a 6013 is a fast fill rod...

down hand (stoveing) is always going to give a tidy looking bead, but be aware this is not structural, and only tends to be a wash, even with a rod designed for the job, 6010/11 and some 13s, it can lead to cracking......

I think at the mo perseverance with the Phoenix will be your key, its not so much the rod (tho that helps) its getting the technique right, If I get a chance (or can dig a welder from the truck) IL do some 3G runs with the Phoenix, IL try and pause em so you can see the technique......


Have you tried Murex Vodex BTW scarecrow, many old boys rave about em, (mostly cause there as old as they are) personally I don't rate em, but they've always had the reputation for positional work......

 

[scarecrow]

Have you tried Murex Vodex BTW scarecrow, many old boys rave about em, (mostly cause there as old as they are) personally I don't rate em, but they've always had the reputation for positional work......

I have heard of them but haven't used them my old oil cooled welder was much better at burning 7018 and disimilars than my aircooled so don't use them much any more I've been thinking about getting one of them fancy little welders sounds like they should be able to cope with all types of Rod . And I'll have to work on my image as I'm not the bloody old

 

[snowcat]

I've been thinking about getting one of them fancy little welders sounds like they should be able to cope with all types of Rod::

yeah inverters are great, really does take the strain out of arc welding, the only rods that some still wont run are 6010s although most major brands do a machine with a cellulose capability, In all honesty its few and far between those who have the need to stovepipe these days....me included


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