Welding instructor

  1. tom2207 Member

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    its that '' competent '' thing again ,,,, it does seem to be the phrase of the moment.
     
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  2. The_Yellow_Ardvark

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    Yes.
    A bug bare of mine.
    A classic example.
    I can train a new joiner on how to service a fire extinguisher, all 35 steps(Approx.) I can make sure they are competent to go into the field.

    But, under BAFE and FIA.
    They are not trained, or qualified to do the job.

    I used to do the in house training, to a BAFE and FIA approved course. But it was an "Approved course", not a training course.
     
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  3. tom2207 Member

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    good grief ,,, its all about blamestorming.
     
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  4. The_Yellow_Ardvark

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    Simpler than that.
    Ass covering.

    I know off an engineer who went down for 52 weeks.
    He serviced a fire extinguisher, as he was shown. But missed an critical and important step. That rendered the unit unusable. There was a minor fire, 3 off the 8 used failed to operate.
    Luckily no one was hurt, just the insurance company profit.
     
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  5. tom2207 Member

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    Its all routed back to
    NWNF Syndrome ,,
    its effected so many things , and has cost millions of pounds to lots of folk , making the wig wearing fraternity rich , and the rest of us very very afraid , when i served my time , if you tripped and landed on your bum , the first thing you did was look about to see who saw ,,, if you were lucky no one did ,, no one laughed and you got away quietly ,, and simply didnt do it again .
    These days , some one lands on their bum , and then goes looking at whether the floor was flat , was the white line painted on it too tall , were the trainers soles not grippy enough , or too grippy etc etc etc , all i the aim of getting a claim , its the blight on society ,

    ah NWNF of course stands for ,, No Win No Fee.
     
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  6. Munkul

    Munkul Member

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    you mean a year in jail?
    To be fair, it's not complicated to get a fire extinguisher mechanism to work, was he hungover or just thick?

    There was an electrician at our work who was politely told to resign, after a string of mistakes... one of which being a production line isolation (single isolation lock for the entire machine) he signed for on the work permit and didn't actually carry out. Each time he was certain he'd done the right thing. All I can think is that his IQ had came down by 20 points since he'c completed College....
     
  7. The_Yellow_Ardvark

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    On this unit he failed to carry out a critical test. A test to show if the unit was operational.
    It wasn't.
     
  8. Parm

    Parm Temporarily operating from the Devon Annex

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    In my head theres two types o training

    Academic class room based stuff theory. Most people can do this as in its simplest form its reading out information. (Im being flippant here). Good teachers have a deep understanding of the subject and are able to simplify the complicated and explain things in a way others cant and are highly capable of answering difficult questions.

    With practical hands on training the above is required plus a significant amount of real world hands on experience. What separates the good from the bad are the ones who have rolled up their sleeves and go their hands dirty, know how to identify an issue before it become a problem or have the wealth of experience to find a solution when it all goes pear shaped.

    A good teacher must be competent, that is where knowledge, education, experience and training in delivery of teaching is all abundantly present.

    Far too many times I've seen folk deliver training using the death by power point method where someone else has produced the slides.

    It quickly becomes apparent that they nothing more about the subject than what's written on the slides

    So to provide academic training you can read many books and impart that knowledge

    But for practical subjects you really need to work in that trade to become what we call a deep topic specialist before you can provide any meaningful training
     
  9. The_Yellow_Ardvark

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    The only time I see all the 30+ steps carried out on a Fire extinguisher service is when they have to take the exam.

    After the incident what led to "Her Majesty pleasure" time, led to that fire extinguisher designee being removed.
    There was "Defect" that allowed the head assembly to be assembled in 2 ways. One worked, one didn't.
    If you had done the training, you would of known.

    It is still in the training courses, as those units are still out there.
    So not as you said.
     
  10. pressbrake1

    pressbrake1 Forum Supporter

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    How old is he.
    I was taught to tig weld by a man of that name 30 years ago. He was from the eutectic institute
     
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  11. Welderpaul

    Welderpaul Moderator Staff Member

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    I think i know the same fella, from Peterborough?
     
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  12. Brad93

    Brad93 M J B Engineering

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    He was still around last year because I bumped into him, can’t remember if I was at TWI or somewhere now.
     
  13. Brad93

    Brad93 M J B Engineering

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    Yes Paul.

    peterborough welder training services
     
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    In the working world I retired from, world that would be classed as gross negligence. There would be no polite "I suggest you resin" conversation. A large part of the Piper Alpha disaster was due to control of work / isolation failings and poor managment of the systems of work.

    Errors on multi discipline isolations with many points are common, hence why you have a regular audit process, but not doing a single point and signing to the effect that you have is beyond stupid.
     
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  15. Welderpaul

    Welderpaul Moderator Staff Member

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    Small world.
     
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  16. Brad93

    Brad93 M J B Engineering

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    I done a week training with Alan about four years ago when I got my personal codings for the first time.

    Bout two years ago he was on the C&G has inspection course at ESAB whilst I was there.
     
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    To be a competancy assessor, you dont actually need to be competent in the discipline. Seen it over the years many times, with contract companies trying to asses their employees, to demonstrate to the employing organisation, their people are up to scratch.
     
  18. Munkul

    Munkul Member

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    Where I work has a very very understanding HR dept and they do the "softly softly" approach as much as possible. I've never seen gross misconduct like this before, ever, and I don't think many people had... it was sheer good luck that someone spotted a running section of the machine before any work took place.
    The disciplinary process was kept fairly quiet but from what i found out, he was told "you can leave the easy way, or the hard way..."
     
  19. The_Yellow_Ardvark

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    @slim_boy_fat another one?
     
  20. slim_boy_fat

    slim_boy_fat Forum Supporter

    You've lost me there. :dontknow:
     
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