They will nick anything these days....

[Parm]

There should be extra time given for dishonesty, if the people involved were in a position of trust, a policeman, solicitor, priest, mp etc.

I’d throw the key away

 

[gaz1]

The victim in all this is the vicar, the rest of them need to do jail time in a big way

not having a go at you parm

but come on 5 years is all they would get out in less than 3 years

loose the family home is what they should get all of them even if its in someone elses name as you can bet its creamed off from fraud elsewhere

as if they havent got there finger in that pie you can bet theyve got it in somewhere else

the man has lost his home to these fraudsters so these fraudsters should loose there home

an eye for an eye it will give the lot something to think about

dont even get me started on the police refusing to investigate as its a civil matter like hell it is

the gov systems failed just as bad as the rest of them so where was they only got involved when pestered by the newspapers for there inactions

 

[gaz1]

this whole thing reminds me of this

 

[The Artilleryman]

Not only did the vicar loose his home (which he may get back or compensation), but he also lost all his possessions, no amount of money can replace those. Who cleared out the house ? I'd hang them by there wedding tackle from razor wire.

 

[DAPPH]

BBC News - Luton man left shocked as his house is ‘stolen’

Luton man left shocked as his house is ‘stolen’

A BBC investigation finds Mike Hall's identity was stolen and used to sell his house.

www.bbc.co.uk

Seems it was a sustained, targeted scam but the official response was not great

It's a lot more common that you think . Long term B&NB rentals in high price areas are the target where almost instant conveyancing is available .

Then there is the scam of a phone call around 09.00 hrs on Friday mornings ( most common day to exchange on payment via bank transfer ) reminding you to transfer the money to account number by 09.30 hrs so it can clear by 12.00 hrs . They then give you an account number to transfer to saying it is an escrow account that will hold the monies till the transaction is made. Only trouble is it is a scam that most banks will not reimburse you from as they have been hit too many times by people using their relatives .
Any such calls need to be thanked , " I'll see to it directly " and hung up on . Then use a number that you previously know is the estate agents / solicitors etc. and ring them asking for a check on their account to send the money to ..... you should have a letter or emial giving this info early on in the house sale .process.

 

[DAPPH]

None of this can happen without a thoroughly bent solicitor

If you transfer the money to a foreign account on the event of a phone call from some one purporting to be the sales agent there might not be a solicitor/conveyancer in the game but there may be a bent employee pushing out details of imminent sale completions to their family & friends abroad .

 

[DAPPH]

Surely, for a UK licence, you would need to provide a UK address ?

IIRC ...in 1975 my UK licences and renewals for my car & HGV were sent to a British Forces address in Germany prior to that I drove legally in the UK & abroad on a bit of tatty brown carboard licence .

 

[premmington]

The victim in all this is the vicar, the rest of them need to do jail time in a big way

Knicking a house off a vicar is fairly low as crimes go. Yes... You could go lower.

I cannot see how you could get away with this - there would be a paper trail - someone received the funds by bank transfer. They did...

But as . describes above - if people are coming to this country to commit crime - open bank accounts and then transfer money away from our shores. With very little chance of investigation. They won't care about the paper trail.

 

[premmington]

My best mate is a financial advisor, he’s been involved in big money transactions for a very long time

He explained this evening how this happened

requires one bent buyer, one bent money man, a bent surveyor and the biggest bent solicitor in the world

everyone involved is a complete MF

I get mortgage fraud - you set up thirty of forty house purchases - borrow £200k each for the purchase and do a runner - with £millions.

But for - four individuals to buy a £120k house - and get £30k each - taking into account two of them - surveryor/solicitor are trading in a high profit/margin industry. It would hardly seem worth it for the risks involved?

 

[8ob]

Whats 100% guaranteed is that the money involved in this transaction was not cash, there is a paper trail which will no doubt end in a foreign bank account. As with all these big money frauds I cannot understand why there isnt an international all encompassing body thats pursuing these criminals, the word fraud translates in all languages

Bob

 

[ajlelectronics]

the word fraud translates in all languages

Unlike "fluffy" apparently.

 

[Parm]

Some of you folk that don’t understand some elements of certain cultures will never understand this
one thing we are all perhaps forgetting is where has the money gone. There is a seller out there who now has £131 k in his pocket, clearly it’s not the vicar and the solicitor will know whom as he will have been involved in the transfer of money

I would recreate the scene from Mississippi burning where all involved are tied to chairs and the Crown Jewels are at risk of being manipulated with a sharp knife. Wouldn’t take a few mins to get all the answers.
Then just do the deed anyway so they can produce any more scum

 

[ronan]

Some of you folk that don’t understand some elements of certain cultures will never understand this
one thing we are all perhaps forgetting is where has the money gone. There is a seller out there who now has £131 k in his pocket, clearly it’s not the vicar and the solicitor will know whom as he will have been involved in the transfer of money

I would recreate the scene from Mississippi burning where all involved are tied to chairs and the Crown Jewels are at risk of being manipulated with a sharp knife. Wouldn’t take a few mins to get all the answers.
Then just do the deed anyway so they can produce any more scum

If a copper raises his voice to a suspect then thats an infringement of said suspects human rights these days.

 

[DAPPH]

Knicking a house off a vicar is fairly low as crimes go. Yes... You could go lower.

I cannot see how you could get away with this - there would be a paper trail - someone received the funds by bank transfer. They did...

But as . describes above - if people are coming to this country to commit crime - open bank accounts and then transfer money away from our shores. With very little chance of investigation. They won't care about the paper trail.

The new buyer about to complete is conned into believing the bank account given inthe morning phone call with a scammer is the correct one .. it seems a lot of people don't use a bit of commonsense and recheck with their known representatives for the details once again before transferring the sale price ( Due diligence not being done by the new buyer )

By the time the international bank transfer made to the fraudsters just before lunch time on the Friday is discovered & traced some several hours into the Monday , it will have been moved to numerous accounts elsewhere outside of the UK making it impossible in most cases for it to be recovered . Especially if it has gone through several virtual currency exchanges .
If any of the international accounts indicate it has gone to Nigeria , Russia or China you're onto a loser straight away .

This failure to carry out due diligence is the get out clause for the insurance protection if there is the slightest whiff you failed to do even the most innocuous of proven checks and got the right result they will drop your claim like a read hot coal and black list you as a potential fraudster .

 

[premmington]

The new buyer about to complete is conned into believing the bank account given inthe morning phone call with a scammer is the correct one .. it seems a lot of people don't use a bit of commonsense and recheck with their known representatives for the details once again before transferring the sale price ( Due diligence not being done by the new buyer )

By the time the international bank transfer made to the fraudsters just before lunch time on the Friday is discovered & traced some several hours into the Monday , it will have been moved to numerous accounts elsewhere outside of the UK making it impossible in most cases for it to be recovered . Especially if it has gone through several virtual currency exchanges .
If any of the international accounts indicate it has gone to Nigeria , Russia or China you're onto a loser straight away .

This failure to carry out due diligence is the get out clause for the insurance protection if there is the slightest whiff you failed to do even the most innocuous of proven checks and got the right result they will drop your claim like a read hot coal and black list you as a potential fraudster .

I get this....

But what can be done to protect "a vicar in the UK losing a freehold property to fraudsters".


Just declaring it "lost to fraud overseas" does not really cut it - it is wrong...!

 

[DAPPH]

I get this....

But what can be done to protect "a vicar in the UK losing a freehold property to fraudsters".


Just declaring it "lost to fraud overseas" does not really cut it - it is wrong...!

Don't become a vicar?????

 

[colnerov]

Don't become a vicar?????

Yes, 'Trust in the lord' is unreliable.

 

[Monkey Harris]

I get this....

But what can be done to protect "a vicar in the UK losing a freehold property to fraudsters".


Just declaring it "lost to fraud overseas" does not really cut it - it is wrong...!

god knows...!

 

[pressbrake1]

Unfortunately laws to stop this happening would be labelled bigotry

Large sums should not be transferred to unfriendly states without full investigation

 

[DAPPH]

I suppose that right at the off if you get the buyers/ seller bank details and make a small £ 5 payment to prove it works , by the time they want the full sum it should be a lot safer to use that same account number if you actually take the advantage and then on exchange contract day ask the what their account number to transfer is . If it's any different to the first don't do it until things are sorted .