soil pipe, advice needed , not for the squeemish.

[arther dailey]

hi
seem to have a blockage , toilet to first manhole clear, then it goes under garage and shed (old clay pipe) to last man hole just before septic tank , now I can get rod through all the way from first manhole to second , but water level if you flush and bucket water in doesnt drop in first man hole just fills to top !previously when water level got that high pure weight would flush the pipe,now its not coming out second manhole although the rods do. Seems like where its blocked solids have turned to slurry and caused some sort of suction jam .
is there any chemical solution I can use to clear , loath to get some one in to pressure it as pipes are so old and it could mean serious monies if garage floor etc had to be lifted and new pipe , like I said rod goes all the way through so its only waste slurry stopping it clearing .
all and any sensible advice appreciated . thanks

 

[drjim]

Drain liner man is what you need I reckon

 

[roofman]

Gaztube found this

 

[dobbslc]

I had similar years ago and eventually it blocked completely, insurance company were useless so I dug it up myself and found the pipe clear so chased it upstream until i found the clay pipe had collapsed I poked about at it a bit then saw something move out the corner of my eye so jumped out the hole quick to see a perfectly round 3" brown snake come bursting out the pipe making a huge coil!
It was a messy job but I cut the old section of pipe out and jointed it with some new plastic then buried at fast.

 

[Gareth J]

I've a cracked clay liner somewhere under our garden. The finest fertilised willow tree in the parish got its roots in and caused a backlog pooh-cano in the house floor void.

Managed to push, with much rodding, a 3' sausage of roots free. A 4" circular rubber ended rod did a final few sweeps to clear the debris. Might be worth trying one of those.

(Chopped tree down and glyphosated the stump. Trouble free since)

 

[arther dailey]

I had similar years ago and eventually it blocked completely, insurance company were useless so I dug it up myself and found the pipe clear so chased it upstream until i found the clay pipe had collapsed I poked about at it a bit then saw something move out the corner of my eye so jumped out the hole quick to see a perfectly round 3" brown snake come bursting out the pipe making a huge coil!
It was a messy job but I cut the old section of pipe out and jointed it with some new plastic then buried at fast.

thats the thing though rods with twisted wire on end are going through ok ! so I think I need pressure like @roofman has linked to.cheers

 

[GRW]

I've seen vids where they rod through with a draw-rope attached.
Then, tie a larger item like a fertiliser bag or similar onto the draw-rope (but knotted in so you have a "tail" of rope behind the bag or whatever (giving you the option to pull it back if you can't pull it through).

Nasty job whatever! Get yer Marigolds on & a peg on your bugle!

 

[gaz1]

hi
seem to have a blockage , toilet to first manhole clear, then it goes under garage and shed (old clay pipe) to last man hole just before septic tank , now I can get rod through all the way from first manhole to second , but water level if you flush and bucket water in doesnt drop in first man hole just fills to top !previously when water level got that high pure weight would flush the pipe,now its not coming out second manhole although the rods do. Seems like where its blocked solids have turned to slurry and caused some sort of suction jam .
is there any chemical solution I can use to clear , loath to get some one in to pressure it as pipes are so old and it could mean serious monies if garage floor etc had to be lifted and new pipe , like I said rod goes all the way through so its only waste slurry stopping it clearing .
all and any sensible advice appreciated . thanks

dont just use a rod use a pig tail rod can slip over a thickish blockage and apear clear

a pig tail wont do this and you can connect your battery drill to the rear end and screw it so it chews at the blockage not ram it through

the other way to find out if you have a collapsed drain is push a bung down a rubber round at different sizes and it shows if you have a collapsed drain or will show if you have a blockage

put plenty of water down the drain and use the pluinger part so you can slosh it back and forth keep toppin gup the water when needed as it will escape a bit

 

[knighty]

What size pipe is it?

Probably 4 inch?

You need something like this on the end of the rods

https://amzn.eu/d/6PPbE2p

Go in from the full side, get it a few feet in the pipe then pull it backwards and forwards as fast abd hard as you can

That should shift it, have done the same thing loads of times

 

[addjunkie]

Can you back flush from the tank end or rod for that matter….roots or a collapsed pipe….

 

[brightspark]

id stick a claw on the end 1st and push and turn all the way through see if it clears. if it does stick the rubber bung through as in post 9 and run it through

 

[arther dailey]

dont just use a rod use a pig tail rod can slip over a thickish blockage and apear clear

a pig tail wont do this and you can connect your battery drill to the rear end and screw it so it chews at the blockage not ram it through

the other way to find out if you have a collapsed drain is push a bung down a rubber round at different sizes and it shows if you have a collapsed drain or will show if you have a blockage

put plenty of water down the drain and use the pluinger part so you can slosh it back and forth keep toppin gup the water when needed as it will escape a bit

got the pig tail on and goes right through , borrowing a bung to screw on tomorrow..

 

[arther dailey]

What size pipe is it?

Probably 4 inch?

You need something like this on the end of the rods

https://amzn.eu/d/6PPbE2p

Go in from the full side, get it a few feet in the pipe then pull it backwards and forwards as fast abd hard as you can

That should shift it, have done the same thing loads of times

thanks, yes borrowing a bung tomorrow , ros and pig tail go all the way through from both ends..

 

[arther dailey]

Can you back flush from the tank end or rod for that matter….roots or a collapsed pipe….

rodded from both ends with pig tail goes all way through..

 

[arther dailey]

last time it was from bowl to first man hole , so as we have really good water pressure I put hose on cold tap jammed the end into neck of bowl , wrapped and jammed with old t shirt and got brother to gradually turn tap on as pressure built up away it went , clear . so might try similar tomorrow if rod and bung doesnt work.. cursed not having some long sleeved gloves..never scrubbed up so many times in my life !

 

[brightspark]

the karcher power washer with the drain blast hose is good as in post 3 just stand back when its pulled out sh..it from ass hole to breakfast time

 

[arther dailey]

the karcher power washer with the drain blast hose is good as in post 3 just stand back when its pulled out sh..it from ass hole to breakfast time

yup reckon if all else fails I will be buying one eh

 

[RichardM]

Seems strange to me that you can get a pigtail all the way through but no movement on the levels. I assume you mean something like this:

Rothenberger Double Worm Screw

2" double worm screw accessory fits Rothenberger polypropylene drain rods removing obstructions.

www.toolstation.com

Does it seem to catch on anything when it's going through or being pulled back? What's on the end when it gets to the next inspection point? You could cable tie some old rag over the pigtail which would increase pressure as you pushed it through.

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

Once its unblocked you need to plan out a longer term fix...a high fibre diet is meant to help I've heard .

Nasty jobs soil pipes...the ones you go at fully prepared are never the ones that go wrong....it's always the way!

 

[drjim]

Drain lining man as I say...