Sherman Tig (Jasic in disguise?)

[TechnicAl]

The sheer number of them in use warrants this.

More than the likes of Fronius?.....I know how many people EWM used to have, one, unless theyve got more recently....Lorch dont have many, if any....do these brands sell less than Jasic?

 

[Munkul]

^^^...just let us know whether you have any issues with it. I'm seriously thinking about it for the new year but I will probably wait until eBay do a discount code (10% off type thing).

Do Jasic make the machines themselves do you know?....or do they assemble the component parts which are maybe made in China? If the latter then its plausible that the same components are shipped to Poland and assembled there under a different brand maybe?

I believe that Jasic make all of their stuff in China itself, and Wilkinson Star are the UK distro.

 

[Munkul]

More than the likes of Fronius?.....I know how many people EWM used to have, one, unless theyve got more recently....Lorch dont have many, if any....do these brands sell less than Jasic?

I hate to say it but going on how widespread the seller network is, I'd say Jasic sell 2 units to every 1 of any other brand... maybe more.

 

[TechnicAl]

I hate to say it but going on how widespread the seller network is, I'd say Jasic sell 2 units to every 1 of any other brand... maybe more.

Really???........Im out of it these days. I was never involved much with equipment but I saw the numbers......Lincoln did billions worldwide and hundreds of millions in Europe......Esab about the same....and both were behind Fronius on equipment........are Jasic that big???

 

[Munkul]

Put it this way: There's at least 4 hardware shops in Carlisle ALONE stocking and selling Jasic inverters, and that's just the ones I KNOW of. And the welding market around here is largely limited to farmers, auto trade and small fabrication business.

The sheer number of units that Wilkinson Star seem to be able to push around UK beggars belief.

 

[Hood]

Capacity is for 1million units per year, how much they actually make I don't know.
Profits of £24 million and revenues of £96million.
How that compares to others I have not looked at.

As @Munkul says above, nearly every welding supplier around this way sells them.

 

[Burdekin]

Popular in colleges as well and the teacher when I was there said they were more reliable than their Kempi machines.

 

[TechnicAl]

Capacity is for 1million units per year, how much they actually make I don't know.
Profits of £24 million and revenues of £96million.
How that compares to others I have not looked at.

As @Munkul says above, nearly every welding supplier around this way sells them.

TBH Thats a fraction.......last time I looked Lincoln was 1.6 BILLION and ESAB was not far behind........

 

[Hood]

I thought it might be, then again it is a young company, 15 years or so.
Don't have a Jasic myself, almost did but..

 

[TechnicAl]

I thought it might be, then again it is a young company, 15 years or so.
Don't have a Jasic myself, almost did but..

Theyve certainly grown over the past 10 years...when I was involved

 

[Hood]

Theyve certainly grown over the past 10 years...when I was involved

Tends to happen when you have the Chinese state behind you I suppose

 

[Munkul]

From their website:

In March 2011, JASIC was successfully launched on the Shenzhen stock exchange and now has realistic ambitions to become the largest manufacturer of welding inverters in the world today.

To be fair, their products aren't bad. I'd love to say that the little Jasic inverter I bought a while back wasn't much cop, but it welds 7018 just as smoothly as any DC power source I've used, and the TIG arc isn't bad either.

 

[addjunkie]

From their website:


To be fair, their products aren't bad. I'd love to say that the little Jasic inverter I bought a while back wasn't much cop, but it welds 7018 just as smoothly as any DC power source I've used, and the TIG arc isn't bad either.

I had a play with a jasic mig the other week in the big toy shop just outside carlise ( Thomas Grahams) and have to agree was quite impressed, seemed a decent quality machine, and cheaper than the shiney red ones.

 

[bwservices]

i have repaired a few hundred Jasic machines
they are no better or worse than Rtech.the hardware,i.e. case, handle, connectors, sockets, switches are all very cheap and are in no way comparable to better brands
EWM Lorch Miller,anything that costs real money, are designed to last, not just scrape the warranty period
Jasic are not cheap to get repaired by Wilkinson Star when out of warranty. This is why Rtech would get my vote
And the basic truth about how nice they are to weld with, is most people couldn't tell the difference whether it was a dynasty 350 or a Jasic 200 the leads were plugged in to

 

[Munkul]

And the basic truth about how nice they are to weld with, is most people couldn't tell the difference whether it was a dynasty 350 or a Jasic 200 the leads were plugged in to

Well, yes, but it depends what you're doing. If all you're doing is running 6013 rods for general repairs etc especially in flat position, then no, there actually ISN'T a great deal of difference in arc quality between a Jasic or a Miller XMT. I'd love to rubbish the Jasic, I really would, but I can't.
Anything more specialised, then fair enough.

I agree completely about the build quality, though.

 

[chrisg3103]

And the basic truth about how nice they are to weld with, is most people couldn't tell the difference whether it was a dynasty 350 or a Jasic 200 the leads were plugged in to

Couldn't agree more, i haven't a clue if this machine is doing what it should, i have no comparison! Am trying to find someone in central Scotland willing to show me a thing or two though.

As far as a weeks picking away getting an hour here or there, its still going well, until i tried the pedal..

This is the pedal as delivered, plug wiring is very suspect, it seems it was a 2 plug pedal thats been mashed into a single 5 pin. No strain relief at the plug, so 2 wires had popped out before i even started.
No mention of the pedal in the polish manual, which was worse than useless anyway. so downloaded the jasic manual, and it had the pedal schematic in it
Also the very important instruction on how to activate remote control mode! hold pedal down for 5 seconds with no load on the machine, it beeps 3 times and the remote light comes on, bit of a palava bit i now have pedal control.

Have a new plug on order and will be fitting a single length of 5 core cable.
So this sort of demonstrates one of the benefits of this machine over a generic wsme type machine, you can fall back on the information available for the Jasic 200p and it will more than likely help you out

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

Its been 8 months since you bought the Sherman aka Jasic TIG....just wondering whether you had much use out of it. Is it still going strong or did it emit the "magic" smoke?

 

[500e]

The Jasic plug has a clamp strain relief but the one I had did not clamp the shroud had to remake connections to shorten then could get shroud under clamp I also slid 50mm of glue type heat shrink over back of plug & wire to help it stay there.You can use that one for another switch with a lighter torch
Note that heavy plastic cover is still on.

 

[chrisg3103]

Its been 8 months since you bought the Sherman aka Jasic TIG....just wondering whether you had much use out of it. Is it still going strong or did it emit the "magic" smoke?

still going, its done everything i have asked of it so far. Not used the mig since i got it, been through 100bar of argon and its not popped yet, im sure it will be fine

 

[MetalMonkey]

Seems my initial suspicions were correct and it is basically a Jasic with a paint job, despite the assurances otherwise.

I suspect there is no difference to the internal components, the extra you pay is just set by the local market and may account for the warranty or distribution network and the profit they need/want to make in that region.
Perhaps there might be some software differences, I believe this is the case with razerweld which is the same machine again for the Australian and US market.

I couldn’t summon the courage to take the gamble so I went with a Stealth in the end, but that itself is almost certainly rebadged elsewhere (weldking in Canada that I know of).
Such is the nature of the global market I suppose, it does make for a headache when trying to make an informed decision though.