but surely if a vehicle has ved on it when brought, this referes to the vehicle in question not the person who drives the vehicle, which is the whole reason for the tax in the first place, so why if the seller is prepared to leave the tax on and/or you pay the seller the amount thats left ,has the tax got to be surrendered by the seller, the only reason i see is that dvla makes money again by the lost part months, after all when you insure the vehicle it is`nt from the start of the month,
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Plus some of us are getting so p****d with computers (just had a card rejected in Asda) we're thinking of taking Holy Vows 
Any business has got to give you a receipt if you ask for one, so you can always have paper evidence. I'm sure I saw an on-line service that would remind you that your MOT was due if you enter your test date.
Any business has got to give you a receipt if you ask for one, so you can always have paper evidence. I'm sure I saw an on-line service that would remind you that your MOT was due if you enter your test date.
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Exactly. I suspect they're forcing the new owner to tax it on purchase to ensure he's insured.
that is a good point, but, the flaw is you can cancel the insurance when you`ve taxed the vehicle, or is this the other part of the dvla`s system that they have not told us, if you cancel your insurance does it cancel your tax as well?
If you have to pay for the tax monthly, then it must be MOT'd and Insured.
But you'd be an idiot anyway, the ANPR would ping up and you'll get your collar felt.
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the number is on your certificate I think for a text reminder at a cost of something like 1.50Plus some of us are getting so p****d with computers (just had a card rejected in Asda) we're thinking of taking Holy Vows
Any business has got to give you a receipt if you ask for one, so you can always have paper evidence. I'm sure I saw an on-line service that would remind you that your MOT was due if you enter your test date.
The figures look impressive, but in reality its getting harder and harder to do things without the net and joe public is having to cave into this steering, so it gives the impression people are willingly turning to do things online, i may be in the minority in my thinking but, keeping tabs on you has never been easier now this impersonal system is in nearly full swing, credit cards was another privacy invasion, if them at the top had there way cash would almost be a thing of the past, as with cash its harder to keep tabs on people wheelin and dealin, which is why i supose the notes change now and again forcing people to change their stash to new notes then Q`s are asked at the bank about how come you have so much cash and where`s it come from, with credit card usage gov depts can keep tabs on your money, how long will it be before the only way to pay for goods will be by credit/debit card or online via paypal etc for goods over a certain amount, we are told its a safer way to deal with money, but when things go wrong it does big time, computors you either love em or hate em.
Use bitcoins online if you don't like credit cards. Mind you anyone using bitcoins has a suspicion over them as to why they need to use bitcoins = what are they hiding.
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Bank notes are not money, they are credit notes we 'use' as money to exchange for goods/services. If you went to the bank with a note that is no longer in circulation, they have to exchange it for a current note.
That's why Countries/Government deal in Gold
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If the price of the R/F stays static or does not increase past the countries annual inflation rate then it is in fact is a reduction in real terms , for inflation will have reduced the cost /value.
I'd like to think that those in governance of this green & septic isle do indeed ( they keep saying it save for a couple of political party's who want to bankrupt us ) want to reduce their governmental foot print and financial impact on the rest of the human race in the country . So yes why not lower the cost of transport to get the country moving around doing all manner of jobs and sending/ recieving goods a bit cheaper to stimulate the economy .
I've been a Motability vehicle user for 21 years so the timing of change over has no longer become an issue this last 20 years.
I did get irked all those years ago when I had to change my BX19 GTI for something ( a short transit ) that I could run for my growing self employment.
It had seven months MOT on it ,yet was not showing the security holder thing that stuck on it three days later when up for sale as a real good bargain in the garage security area . So I suspect hat thy will have claimed it and kept it. Had I not been so busy with the S/E perhaps I might have twigged my error but would I have got the same deal on the transit ????
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There is and will still be alternative routes to get the government services and goods precisely for the reasons you mention . It may take several hours of queuing up at some supermarket post office franchise unit or a couple of weeks for snail mail but they will always exist until the day we get chips implanted in our heads to do it as we sleep . Even then there will sstill be some method for those that can't use it .
The essence of the cake is that until fairly recently almost 1/5 th of the working population was paid for providing some government related service , those jobs attracted a future long term pension payment in most cases so not only did the rest of the people have to fund their own pensions they also had the extra cost of a bloated work force of government employees pensions x zillions for many years hanging round their necks .
Now the depression /recession appears to be bottoming out re-establishing the lower cost governance & services that give value for our money is about the only way we can move forward because , " There ain't any money left ", apparently.
There is and will still be alternative routes to get the government services and goods precisely for the reasons you mention . It may take several hours of queuing up at some supermarket post office franchise unit or a couple of weeks for snail mail but they will always exist until the day we get chips implanted in our heads to do it as we sleep . Even then there will sstill be some method for those that can't use it .
The essence of the cake is that until fairly recently almost 1/5 th of the working population was paid for providing some government related service , those jobs attracted a future long term pension payment in most cases so not only did the rest of the people have to fund their own pensions they also had the extra cost of a bloated work force of government employees pensions x zillions for many years hanging round their necks .
Now the depression /recession appears to be bottoming out re-establishing the lower cost governance & services that give value for our money is about the only way we can move forward because , " There ain't any money left ", apparently.
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No car dealer leaves the Tax on a car. They don't know when it will sell. Plus it's money in the bank. Just the same reason why they [in the most part] don't include it in the cost of a car. It's money out the bank
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The rules may have changed .
However it's more like he can put a full years Mot on it & throw in the road fund for six months as an imagined benefit if it's being transacted via the guys licenced credit scheme
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The rules may have changed .
However it's more like he can put a full years Mot on it & throw in the road fund for six months as an imagined benefit if it's being transacted via the guys licenced credit scheme
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Many years ago a work colleague traded his car in against another, went to pick up the new car and the dealer saw him removing the tax disc from the old one, said you can leave that in I've given you a trade in based on the 10 months tax left.
My workmates car was the sole transport for his disabled mother so had £0 tax disc, dealer was bit upset
This new system is going to cost to set up an estimated £8 million (gov figures) but will save many many more times that when running.
I can understand the logic in doing away with the paper side as regards money saving etc etc etc, but did not see why the duty had to be surrendered with reg keeper change,...... the answer so i have read on the gov site is that it will protect us motorist from using a vehicle with no ved if the previous keeper was to cash the duty in and not tell you......
at least they have my intrest at heart,
also if you pay monthly for a twelve month ved there`s no % charge, if done bi-annually 5% , and if paying month by month 5%, before it was 10% for the Bi-annual
I can understand the logic in doing away with the paper side as regards money saving etc etc etc, but did not see why the duty had to be surrendered with reg keeper change,...... the answer so i have read on the gov site is that it will protect us motorist from using a vehicle with no ved if the previous keeper was to cash the duty in and not tell you......
at least they have my intrest at heart,
also if you pay monthly for a twelve month ved there`s no % charge, if done bi-annually 5% , and if paying month by month 5%, before it was 10% for the Bi-annual
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Same thing surely?
