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Are these realy gate drivers?
Cant find a way to test them with a multimeter
Cant find a way to test them with a multimeter
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MIC4422CT Datasheet(PDF)
Part #: MIC4422CT. Download. File Size: 110Kbytes. Page: 10 Pages. Description: 9A-Peak Low-Side MOSFET Driver Bipolar/CMOS/DMOS Process. Manufacturer: Micrel Semiconductor.
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Thanx Seadog,
Do you know how to test them?
Do you know how to test them?
[ I don't know this welder, I'm just making general comments.]
I guess that the IGBTs are not cheap, so it is important to ensure that the new ones do not get destroyed again.
As a full H-bridge circuit, control and timing of the circuits that trigger the gates of the power transistors is critical.
The left and right "vertical strokes" of the H contain two transistor switches each, one at the top and one at the bottom of each vertical, for a total of four. The primary of the main inverter transformer is the "horizontal bar" of the H. It is a ferrite-cored transformer with a high-current secondary, and typically operates at 20- to 100- kHz. The main 325v DC power bus is applied across the upper and lower "ends" of both verticals of the H.
When a trigger pulse is applied to the gates of the top left and bottom right transistors, current will flow across the transformer primary from left to right. After that pair turns off, the top right and bottom left switches of the H will get triggered on, causing current in the primary to reverse, going from right to left. This makes DC into AC !
Obviously if the gate pulse timing is wrong, or even permanently "on", then the transistors will short the DC supply. The main supply breaker will trip and the transistors will probably be destroyed.
A further difficulty is that the high-impedance gate of an IGBT can pick up any stray voltage or leakage and result in turn-on of the device, full conduction, and self-destruction! Therefore gates must never be left open-circuit or floating, which can happen if a failed transistor is replaced with a new one without first confirming correct functionality of the entire gate control circuit.
To do that, you will have to trace the full gate circuit, test all the components, and verify correct timing. There will be a pulse-width modulated ( PWM ) pulse generator, Zener diodes, series resistors, TVS ( transient voltage suppressors ), current drivers, maybe pulse transformers or optocouplers, etc.
The MIC4422 is just an amplifier and signal inverter, allowing a 10 microAmp input current to drive up to a 9 Amp output.
It is probably quite rugged so unlikely to fail, but may be only a small part of the gate circuit.
One way to confirm that all is OK before risking another set of IGBTs is to replace the 325v DC bus from the AC mains, the input rectifier, and the capacitor bank with a low voltage current-limited DC supply, of about 30 to 40 volts, then check for valid control signals on all the gates with an oscilloscope.
Another option is to fit a set of cheap low-power IGBT devices. That will not allow actual welding to be tested, but all the gate voltages and timing can be verified.
Here is an earlier thread describing the successful repair of an inverter DC TIG welder, and it explains what is involved:
According to Post #32 of this current thread, this Selco service and repair manual also applies to the Lincoln Invertec:
www.manualslib.com
I guess that the IGBTs are not cheap, so it is important to ensure that the new ones do not get destroyed again.
As a full H-bridge circuit, control and timing of the circuits that trigger the gates of the power transistors is critical.
The left and right "vertical strokes" of the H contain two transistor switches each, one at the top and one at the bottom of each vertical, for a total of four. The primary of the main inverter transformer is the "horizontal bar" of the H. It is a ferrite-cored transformer with a high-current secondary, and typically operates at 20- to 100- kHz. The main 325v DC power bus is applied across the upper and lower "ends" of both verticals of the H.
When a trigger pulse is applied to the gates of the top left and bottom right transistors, current will flow across the transformer primary from left to right. After that pair turns off, the top right and bottom left switches of the H will get triggered on, causing current in the primary to reverse, going from right to left. This makes DC into AC !
Obviously if the gate pulse timing is wrong, or even permanently "on", then the transistors will short the DC supply. The main supply breaker will trip and the transistors will probably be destroyed.
A further difficulty is that the high-impedance gate of an IGBT can pick up any stray voltage or leakage and result in turn-on of the device, full conduction, and self-destruction! Therefore gates must never be left open-circuit or floating, which can happen if a failed transistor is replaced with a new one without first confirming correct functionality of the entire gate control circuit.
To do that, you will have to trace the full gate circuit, test all the components, and verify correct timing. There will be a pulse-width modulated ( PWM ) pulse generator, Zener diodes, series resistors, TVS ( transient voltage suppressors ), current drivers, maybe pulse transformers or optocouplers, etc.
The MIC4422 is just an amplifier and signal inverter, allowing a 10 microAmp input current to drive up to a 9 Amp output.
It is probably quite rugged so unlikely to fail, but may be only a small part of the gate circuit.
One way to confirm that all is OK before risking another set of IGBTs is to replace the 325v DC bus from the AC mains, the input rectifier, and the capacitor bank with a low voltage current-limited DC supply, of about 30 to 40 volts, then check for valid control signals on all the gates with an oscilloscope.
Another option is to fit a set of cheap low-power IGBT devices. That will not allow actual welding to be tested, but all the gate voltages and timing can be verified.
Here is an earlier thread describing the successful repair of an inverter DC TIG welder, and it explains what is involved:
According to Post #32 of this current thread, this Selco service and repair manual also applies to the Lincoln Invertec:
SELCO GENESIS 200 AC-DC REPAIR MANUAL Pdf Download
View and Download Selco Genesis 200 AC-DC repair manual online. Genesis 200 AC-DC welding system pdf manual download. Also for: Wu 15, Genesis 200 tlh.
www.manualslib.com
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Eddie49 thanx,
I'm going to read this a couple of times,
And try to understand it
I have used the selco repair manual,
But is does not help me with this problem
I'm going to read this a couple of times,
And try to understand it
I have used the selco repair manual,
But is does not help me with this problem
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Thanx for the help everyone,
This is way harder than my knowledge allows
And would need extra tools to,
that i'm not able to handle correct.
So i decided to scrap it
And buy a new tig welder
Anyone interested in parts of this invertec?
This is way harder than my knowledge allows
And would need extra tools to,
that i'm not able to handle correct.
So i decided to scrap it
And buy a new tig welder
Anyone interested in parts of this invertec?
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HI- WHAT PHOTO DO YOU NEED MAY BE I CAN END IT TO YOU LET ME KNOW OK THANKS
Hi. Can you help identify the resistors and the capacitor on the Selco Genesis 200 ACDC (almost the same as the Lincoln V205)?
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Hello, I am interested, I will buy all the tiles, contact me on whotapp no. 504797071 or at pietrwalski.przemyslaw@op.pl
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Yes, I know, it seems to me that the browser translated it into Polish itself, sorry for the inconvenience
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I'm interested in buying it because I can't handle my Selco. Please contact me.
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It's already gone to some one else
From here.
From here.
