Remember they can kill.

[fizzy]

Seriously though you are probably SAFER at work than at home

 

[bricol]

I use

But that's the problem with HSE.
If your risk assessment doesn't state the bleeding obvious and something goes wrong you get fined for it!
And the fines are now out of all proportion. USED to be based on PROFIT - now on TURNOVER!
Logistics often operates on only 3% to 5% margins - software can go as high as 95% margins.

The massive fines based on turnover can often be the end of many businesses - large or small. The fine will NOT bring the dead person back - probably won't guarantee no more deaths - and could well put many people and suppliers out of work. The personal ramifications of that can have dramatic knock on effects. People losing their livelihoods - their homes - possibly even drive them to suicide. And I am not on about the "fat cat evil bosses" but the humble workers as well.

But would you want to work for, have your kids working for, a company where people are allowed to bypass rules, regs, let such become the norm?

If you don't slap them with enormous fines, how do you do it? You've been a naughty boy, don't maim, disfigure, kill too many next month?

The people around, the fellow employees, the humble workers, each and every one of them is responsible for safety, not just of themselves, but everyone else. Did anyone point out the danger? Escalate it if it was ignored?

A task becomes more complex, takes more time? If you're being paid by the hour . . .


What you do at home, in your own workshop, on your own, is your own look out.

 

[dave h 2]

Regarding why we need H&S, rules, procedures . . .

We seem to be starting from new low levels of competence in all areas if we need signs like this:

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They don't work, so many senior staff at my old place were walkers. Same people used to eat the bar snacks.

 

[fizzy]

But would you want to work for, have your kids working for, a company where people are allowed to bypass rules, regs, let such become the norm?

If you don't slap them with enormous fines, how do you do it? You've been a naughty boy, don't maim, disfigure, kill too many next month?

The people around, the fellow employees, the humble workers, each and every one of them is responsible for safety, not just of themselves, but everyone else. Did anyone point out the danger? Escalate it if it was ignored?

A task becomes more complex, takes more time? If you're being paid by the hour . . .


What you do at home, in your own workshop, on your own, is your own look out.

HSE was obviously needed - but their are sensible limits to everything - I feel that was crossed a long time ago.

 

[ajlelectronics]

HSE was obviously needed - but their are sensible limits to everything - I feel that was crossed a long time ago.

I do agree that the penalties are misdirected or extreme. There is little point in bankrupting a business and throwing potentially hundreds of employees onto the unemployment register.

 

[Farside]

He's already taken an eye out

Nah, that's just saving one, in case the other goes.

 

[fizzy]

Nah, that's just saving one, in case the other goes.

A chap I used to know lost one eye as a child. He worked as a welder for BP and played rugby for Aberavon - you would think he would have been more careful

 

[Farside]

A chap I used to know lost one eye as a child. He worked as a welder for BP and played rugby for Aberavon - you would think he would have been more careful

I knew a one-eyed PPL about 40 years ago.
Effing nutter, he was.

 

[doubleboost]

I have only had one eye for 54 years
You just have to get on with it .
Life is for living not worrying about what iff .

 

[Bouledogue]

Seriously though you are probably SAFER at work than at home

I see you've met my wife, @fizzy ...

 

[fizzy]

I have only had one eye for 54 years
You just have to get on with it .
Life is for living not worrying about what iff .

Wow didn't realise that! Doesn't exactly hold you back

 

[Erie Fred]

I do agree that the penalties are misdirected or extreme. There is little point in bankrupting a business and throwing potentially hundreds of employees onto the unemployment register.

Did the employee violate internal rules ?
Was he reprimanded before for bad safety ?
Or was he told to keep working unsafe or risk termination ?

As soon as the machine is released from the investigation, someone else
will step in his place to finish the work he was doing.

Will the authorities not allow work until new safeguards are in place ?

 

[badabec]

Wow didn't realise that! Doesn't exactly hold you back

DB only cleans one lens of his glasses!

 

[winchman]

This sort of thing is what they got us for our workshop at work.

Looks good I wonder how much they are?

 

[jimbo84]

Looks good I wonder how much they are?

Over a grand, very spendy for what they are but a lot cheaper than somebody’s life and a 750k fine.

 

[cheb]

Regarding why we need H&S, rules, procedures . . .

We seem to be starting from new low levels of competence in all areas if we need signs like this:

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Back in the 1950's there were signs saying 'No Spitting' And the exhortations about washing your hands after using the toilet are probably older than that.

I wash my hands before going to the toilet, the skin in the groin and its associated bits is very sensitive. As evidenced by some fitters keeping oily rags in their pockets and ending up with chloracne.

 

[fizzy]

Over a grand, very spendy for what they are but a lot cheaper than somebodies life and a 750k fine.

I just use my B+D powerfile - it's a tad cheaper than £1000

 

[harveyp6]

As evidenced by some fitters keeping oily rags in their pockets and ending up with chloracne.

And cancer.

I never did that, even before I was told about it in a H&S chat when I did my apprenticeship in the 1970s.

 

[cheb]

I was a chimney sweep for about a decade. Cancer of the scrotum was the first proven industrially linked cancer.

 

[ajlelectronics]

I was a chimney sweep for about a decade. Cancer of the scrotum was the first proven industrially linked cancer.

What were you using for a brush then?