I was wondering perhaps we could have a thread were we could hash out suitable mills for hobbyists. Like what are good mills, good brands, with footprints that are not excessive? I've been researching this for a while now and have not come to that many conclusions aside from most of the mills for sale here are big hunks weighing multiple tons and would never fit in my garage workshop. I am personally not interested in anything from the far east but I was thinking this thread might be suitable source of information for other people too so if anyone has anything to recommend they can do so. I have so far found two interesting options: -Deckel FP1 is a smaller german lathe that has a very good reputation from all I've seen, anyone here might happen to own one? Seems you can expect to give around 3200-3500 euros for the cheaper models that still look to be in good condition based on what I found on machine seeker. http://www.lathes.co.uk/deckel/ -Arboga U2508, a drill mill, combination drill press and mill, small footprint but seemingly very basic and at that it's not much cheaper than a proper Mill like a Deckel based on what I have found so I am not that enthusiastic about this as I was a few months ago. http://www.lathes.co.uk/arboga/ It does seem like Finland has little to offer except big beasts like Sajo UF-52s (bridgeport clones) or even bigger pieces, or chinese junk I won't touch with a ten foot pole. So I am looking in Sweden and also Germany, it might even be easier for me to get it from Germany as I know a german guy living nearby that actually imports machines from Germany so I could perhaps get help from him. And this is all just preliminary research for me. If I live cheaply and save my money maybe next year I could afford something on a 3000-ish budget.... But saving up is harder than it looks.