Rear mounted timing gears

[redlig]

'Cos sales were lost to cheaper competition, so it needs to be made and sell cheaper . . .

It's just a roundabout or perhaps a Whirlpool.

 

[redlig]

'Cos sales were lost to cheaper competition, so it needs to be made and sell cheaper . . .

Or ,perish the thought, increase the shareholders Xmas bonus.

 

[James1979]

Are you sure it's leaking from the stop solenoid? There's a small metal plate close to it held with two Allen or torx screw's I've had a leak from there before. It's not easy but doable from underneath.

I’ll have another look when I see it next. You have got me wondering now

I’m hoping you are right and it’s that plate.

 

[bricol]

I still have nighmares from doing a timing chain on my wife's Saab 99 Turbo ( at the back of the engine ) , the parts guy suggested I fit an after market chain if I wanted to last longer . That was in the late 80s

Dead easy in the Triumph the engine was being designed for but didn't actually make it into until after Saab used it.

Cost saving again

 

[Cobbler]

Dead easy in the Triumph the engine was being designed for but didn't actually make it into until after Saab used it.

Cost saving again

There was a story going around at the time, that Saab used to reject 6 out of 10 engines because of quality issues, Triumph built the Dolomite to use the rejects. No idea whether it was really true, but the same engine in the Saab had a reputation for going on for ever & the Dolly engine being short lived.

 

[bricol]

There was a story going around at the time, that Saab used to reject 6 out of 10 engines because of quality issues, Triumph built the Dolomite to use the rejects. No idea whether it was really true, but the same engine in the Saab had a reputation for going on for ever & the Dolly engine being short lived.

Certainly didn't build it to use rejects - it was a new engine design, and depending on what you read, designed in-house, or by Ricardo - and they suggested to Saab they use it rather than continue to waste money on their own design.

I guess British quality in the late 60's/early 70's wasn't quite what rose-tinted glasses might have us try to believe these days . . . I believe Saab had exclusive use for the first few years as they funded development, then took it in house to make, and improved assembly quality and tolerances.

Not too sure about the 1850 Triumph engine being short-lived. Initially the 2ltr 16V might have been as they simply weren't assembled well, or maintained properly.

Dolomite is an interesting story - a FWD drive body design, re-engineered into RWD a good way into it production life. And most disappointing car I ever owned - still really like their looks, but compared to the same age Lancia Beta, could not hold a candle to it in terms of handling and road-holding. And I really tried with my Dolomite to make it handle.

 

[m_c]

What is the point?

To improve timing and durability, as it eliminates having to compensate for crankshaft flex in the timing drivetrain.

 

[RWD3M]

BMW 4 cylinder diesels are also rear of the engine for the timing chains, engine out job.

Jaguar have just done the same on their barand new range of 'Ingenium' engines.

Oh, and just to add insult to injury, the early ones (upto Nov 2019) had timing gear made from cheese and chocolate! (ask me how I know!)

 

[minimutly]

Certainly didn't build it to use rejects - it was a new engine design, and depending on what you read, designed in-house, or by Ricardo - and they suggested to Saab they use it rather than continue to waste money on their own design.

I guess British quality in the late 60's/early 70's wasn't quite what rose-tinted glasses might have us try to believe these days . . . I believe Saab had exclusive use for the first few years as they funded development, then took it in house to make, and improved assembly quality and tolerances.

Not too sure about the 1850 Triumph engine being short-lived. Initially the 2ltr 16V might have been as they simply weren't assembled well, or maintained properly.

Dolomite is an interesting story - a FWD drive body design, re-engineered into RWD a good way into it production life. And most disappointing car I ever owned - still really like their looks, but compared to the same age Lancia Beta, could not hold a candle to it in terms of handling and road-holding. And I really tried with my Dolomite to make it handle.

Imagine - they could have used the 1850 engine, with 16 valve head and Saab gearbox to make a performance front wheel drive car - years ahead of anybody else.. might have needed some suspension sorting though...
Read somewhere that the sprint head was used as the chamber design basis for the M16/T16 heads Rover made for the 800, or if you were lucky enough, the 220gti (most memorable car I've owned, but could have been better).

 

[jenki]

here was a story going around at the time, that Saab used to reject 6 out of 10 engines because of quality issues, Triumph built the Dolomite to use the rejects. No idea whether it was really true, but the same engine in the Saab had a reputation for going on for ever & the Dolly engine being short lived.

When SAAB took over the manufacture of the engine they handed it the Scania diesel engine part of their empire they redesigned it to eliminate some of the known weak points principle amongst which was the inclined head studs that Triumph needed for the Stag engine; the one they missed was the water pump design unfortunately.

 

[Rannsachair]

Saab tended to use other folks engines, even the first Saab 92 twin used a development of a German DMW 2 stroke design that became the 3 cylinder triple carb rally winner, this was followed by the Ford Taunus V4 in the Saab 96. I understand Saab were working on their own in line four for the 99 with Ricardo and they discovered Triumph were doing similar with Ricardo so they put Saab in contact with Triumph and bought the 1700, later 1850. In 1972 when Saab brought the manufacture of the engine in house they redesigned it resulting in the Saab B engine, a good reliable engine that in 1981 was redesigned into the H engine that I loved in the 16 valve turbo S.

 

[hermetic]

Iv found things like this on cars over the years always makes me laugh

jAGUAR HANDBRAKE PADS? I always used to cut and fit the "aftermarket" service panel in the boot!!

 

[RWD3M]

jAGUAR HANDBRAKE PADS? I always used to cut and fit the "aftermarket" service panel in the boot!!

Ah yes, the joys of inboard discs!!!

 

[colnerov]

Some people used to take the heater out and cut a hole in the bulkhead when doing a cam change on the Pinto engined Cortinas, rather than take the head off. Not exactly an onerous job in the first place.

Colin

 

[redlig]

Jaguar have just done the same on their barand new range of 'Ingenium' engines.

Oh, and just to add insult to injury, the early ones (upto Nov 2019) had timing gear made from cheese and chocolate! (ask me how I know!)

Don't tell us you licked them to find out.

 

[Melvyn Best]

Some people used to take the heater out and cut a hole in the bulkhead when doing a cam change on the Pinto engined Cortinas, rather than take the head off. Not exactly an onerous job in the first place.

Colin

quicker and easier to lift the engine out

 

[Bornfree]

Some people used to take the heater out and cut a hole in the bulkhead when doing a cam change on the Pinto engined Cortinas, rather than take the head off. Not exactly an onerous job in the first place.

Colin

Everyone used to blame chocolate camshafts and it was always a blocked nozzle in the spray bar.

 

[stuvy]

Some people used to take the heater out and cut a hole in the bulkhead when doing a cam change on the Pinto engined Cortinas, rather than take the head off. Not exactly an onerous job in the first place.

Colin

Ha ha!!

I haven’t seen that in years

 

[stuvy]

I swapped an electric motor out on a seat for one of the girls at work

Took Greta delight in adding this to her 4 year old car!!

 

[daleyd]

I swapped an electric motor out on a seat for one of the girls at work

Took Greta delight in adding this to her 4 year old car!!

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I can only hope she sells it to an old dear and it needs work doing on it at some point