Pakistani machine shop

[rcx132]

im going to post this link up as i dont want to make it political the reference is only used to point too

how well we pulled out of a reccession in 1945 compared to the digital age of now 2008 yet in 2023 it will be even worse to pull out of it

the graph shows with industry behind us and people spending on items our economy had the biggest growth

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The Tories just got a stark warning to 'learn the lessons' of the past

With economic chaos looming, the TUC has come out with an alternative 'road map' out of recession. And there's no austerity in sight.

www.thecanary.co

I only have basic knowledge so am happy to be corrected. But I understand that pulling out of post war recession is common, people were more united, and I believe you're making up for lost growth. Things are harder now because as a country we've under invested, politics are polarised, we haven't stayed ahead, and we didn't get the expected trade deals to acquire supplies and sell our goods.

In all this talk of keeping manufacturing in our borders, there's another thing to consider. Even if we avoid using cheaper foreign supplies, other countries *will* use them. So our foreign competitors will produce goods and services for cheaper and make us less competitive. Suddenly the industries you've saved by stopping imports can no longer sell their goods.

 

[the artfull-codger]

In my time in education one thing stuck out. Kids liked making stuff some were better than others some were good & some awful but 95% enjoyed it really wanted to make something. But the way the practical subjects & curriculum have been emasculated you could see the realisation in their eyes when it dawned that actually we cant make anything useful or nice at school anymore cos its too expensive & not enough time as its virtually all theory & no making.
So those that are academically good go to uni & non manual jobs, the rest are on the scrapheap before they even start.
If mass manufacturing isnt a good economic model for a country, a service econonmy isnt either. There needs to be a balance between the two.

Absolutely Right Keith, my 18 yrs in education [CDT] was mostly about design, I ran a lunchtime club for lads to build themselves a working steam engine & boiler & they loved it [me too] but they're not given the chance now & when exam results came out the head was overjoyed that so many could go to uni, that's why there's a shortage of skilled workers that the country needs, we need uni students as well but there's a severe shortage of hands on skills which a lot of pupils would love [given the chance!!]

 

[addjunkie]

Absolutely Right Keith, my 18 yrs in education [CDT] was mostly about design, I ran a lunchtime club for lads to build themselves a working steam engine & boiler & they loved it [me too] but they're not given the chance now & when exam results came out the head was overjoyed that so many could go to uni, that's why there's a shortage of skilled workers that the country needs, we need uni students as well but there's a severe shortage of hands on skills which a lot of pupils would love [given the chance!!]

This is driven by two things….”Raising Achievment” in school. Brain washing kids they are all ableto go to uni and succeed, whe; in reality many don't, basically as there not academic enough.
And many small firms / one man bands won't train people, because its expensive, yhey have to pay them, and yheres little government help.
Big firms are finally realising they need to train new folk, buts its been a slow process, far easier to import it pre puppy dog

 

[premmington]

This is driven by two things….”Raising Achievment” in school. Brain washing kids they are all ableto go to uni and succeed, whe; in reality many don't, basically as there not academic enough.
And many small firms / one man bands won't train people, because its expensive, yhey have to pay them, and yheres little government help.
Big firms are finally realising they need to train new folk, buts its been a slow process, far easier to import it pre puppy dog

I/We don't take young lads in here now - due to "red tape" - shame - I would like to... (it just not cost effective for a small business)

And yes - most jobs go to eastern european lads now...

 

[brightspark]

Stop the world i want to get off i'm glad im in my 70s not 17 now

I/We don't take young lads in here now - due to "red tape" - shame - I would like to... (it just not cost effective for a small business)

And yes - most jobs go to eastern european lads now...

ive had 5 lads working for me part time a couple o 3 days a week when needed 40 quid a day no red tape or nothing. they were going to college but needed the practical experience some were working for other people doing diffrent things as well all got electrical jobs out of it

 

[gaz1]

due to "red tape" - shame - I would like to... (it just not cost effective for a small business)

And yes - most jobs go to eastern european lads now...

its not red tape many companies just want hand outs to take them on free labour

the issue starts within school all go digital, learn computers, mobile phones are the worst there never off the things but thats also the parents as well

if it isnt a phone its a tablet you do learn from your parents the ladies being the worst

as goes for jobs for the young ones theres not much about and certainly not ones that pay a good wage to live in your own place fine if you live at home but not if you dont

its also the same when you child is still living with you up to 30 for the same thing cant afford to get your own place as the wages arnt good enough