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Ok thanks for the info.
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My understanding is flat mating surfaces is fine for grease...threads not good as it'll likely result in over torque unless you compensate. Sometimes needs must...just got to be careful about over tightening I think.
To be honest I've only ever heard one story in my life about a wheel falling off a car so I think it's not really a major issue...I'd say its more likely things get broken due to over tightening than under I reckon!
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I've heard two in the last week...
One was due to lack of tightening though.
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As others have said most places can't be trusted to fit tyres, balance wheels, fit wheels or do alignments properly. I have been looking for a cheap balancer but now that I am seriously looking I haven't seen any cheap enough. Before I was looking for them I had seen multiple for $50 each (one was faulty but I could probably fix it).
I recently took some loose 12" mini rims and tyres to my local tyre place to have them fit and balanced. I take them loose because I don't know anyone who will install wheels correctly. When I picked them up they told me they static balanced them and that they will look better because they only put the weights on the inside. They were also all at 40psi. I guess they were just too lazy to fit the required plate to the machine to do nut centric wheels. Whenever I am there I see them ugga-dugga other customers wheels on and then "check" them with a torque wrench.
One of my Dad's jobs involved fitting and balancing tyres. The others told him he was balancing them wrong yet he was the only one who had bothered to read the machines manual.
I recently took some loose 12" mini rims and tyres to my local tyre place to have them fit and balanced. I take them loose because I don't know anyone who will install wheels correctly. When I picked them up they told me they static balanced them and that they will look better because they only put the weights on the inside. They were also all at 40psi. I guess they were just too lazy to fit the required plate to the machine to do nut centric wheels. Whenever I am there I see them ugga-dugga other customers wheels on and then "check" them with a torque wrench.
One of my Dad's jobs involved fitting and balancing tyres. The others told him he was balancing them wrong yet he was the only one who had bothered to read the machines manual.
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What about one of those bubble gauge ones? Place I knew used on of those and he ever only put one weight on a tyre to balance it (unless wheel was damaged) compared to the dozen that a balancing machine would chuck on.
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When I’ve watched the tyre fitters balance them, some first of all static balance them, put the weights on & then spin them up to balance dynamically. Surely that the weights used on the dynamic balance upsets the first lot. I don’t know if this is still standard practice as I haven’t watched a fitter for a long time.
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It is an option but I think a dynamic balancer would be more accurate, probably why more weights are used. Also finding one for nut centric wheels is more difficult but I have seen them.
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Well he used the torque wrench in the end and the truck drives nice and smoothly.
I'll probably still check the stud's myself though.
Fitter clearly didn't know the yellow dot is supposed to go next to the valve! That really bugs me and it's really common.
Same here, I've saved what they cowe me several times over and they are still easily worth what I paid for them. It really bugs me when I see poorly fitted/balanced tyres. I fully understand they don't have time to do it to my standard but that's why I do my own.
One of my pet hates is stick on weights right in the middle of the gap between spokes on an alloy. On my balancer it adds hardly any time to run the split weight program and hide the weights behind the spokes.
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It's over 2 months since I got this sorted. After the first place cocked it up we were told to go to another local ish branch on Saturday morning, so I turned up a 8am just as they opened and spoke to man behind the counter and he looked at me like I was mad!
"Don't know what you mean mate, no one has told us anything"
"we have bookings already and can't do it until 11am"
I just walked off, kin useless monkeys!
Another bunch of emails telling them to get one of there mobile fitters out as I'm not funding Rishi in fuel tax driving around anymore of your branches.
Final someone turned up to sort the mess out , I spoke to him on the phone as I was at work and he seemed to understand what had happened and what he needed to do, he fitted new valves, cleaned and rebalanced the wheels and seems to have fitted them properly
I got some more money back of National Tyres and even flogged the old ones on Facebook for £100
So a set of tyres that cost £480 to start with only cost me about £250 in the end, but what a load of hassle!
"Don't know what you mean mate, no one has told us anything"
"we have bookings already and can't do it until 11am" I just walked off, kin useless monkeys!
Another bunch of emails telling them to get one of there mobile fitters out as I'm not funding Rishi in fuel tax driving around anymore of your branches.
Final someone turned up to sort the mess out , I spoke to him on the phone as I was at work and he seemed to understand what had happened and what he needed to do, he fitted new valves, cleaned and rebalanced the wheels and seems to have fitted them properly
I got some more money back of National Tyres and even flogged the old ones on Facebook for £100
So a set of tyres that cost £480 to start with only cost me about £250 in the end, but what a load of hassle!
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This reminds me, I had a leased Audi as a company car some years ago, took it into the only quick fit tyre chain we were allowed to use for a couple of tyres.
”We need to change all four tyres sir - the fronts are the wrong speed and load rating for this car”. I says OK, but I’ll call the leasing company and tell them not to pay you for them. “Why’s that sir?” Because you muppets fitted them here two months ago - your problem
”We need to change all four tyres sir - the fronts are the wrong speed and load rating for this car”. I says OK, but I’ll call the leasing company and tell them not to pay you for them. “Why’s that sir?” Because you muppets fitted them here two months ago - your problem
Brilliant, I love stories like that..This reminds me, I had a leased Audi as a company car some years ago, took it into the only quick fit tyre chain we were allowed to use for a couple of tyres.
”We need to change all four tyres sir - the fronts are the wrong speed and load rating for this car”. I says OK, but I’ll call the leasing company and tell them not to pay you for them. “Why’s that sir?” Because you muppets fitted them here two months ago - your problem
I had a mate whose dad took his car in for some tyres at one of the big chains. Got a call saying it needed some new shocks, he told them to go ahead as he was out shopping anyway. The best bit was when he went to pay and he produced the receipt for two shocks they same muppets had fitted 3 months earlier and said "I'm sure those shocks must under warranty"
. They had spent a couple of hours fitting brand new shocks that didn't need replacing anyway and then didn't get paid either.I suspect what you have actually seen is the test/check spin after fitting the weights. You spin to check the balance, fit the appropriate weights and then spin again to check. It's not uncommon to to fit the correct weights and then the balance still be out on a check spin. I doubt anyone at a tyre place is going to do any more steps then they have to and doing a static balance first is extra uneeded step.
If I get a situation where after fitting the correct weights there is still some unbalance I just take them off and start again, and what I do is do one side first then recheck. The amount of times I've seen wheels with weights 180 degress apart is crazy, that's just shoddy work.
