modifying a trailer

  1. skotl

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    Must be. Reminds me... must make up a new plate...
     
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    Landrover springs to mind here a bit too.
     
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  3. Justme

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    As asked, like for like?
     
  4. Justme

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    Not my area but I think land rovers need Q plates if re chassied.

    The reg number is tied to the chassis not the body panels.
     
  5. postie jon Member

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    defo not. mine had a new chassis same reg plate , and my mates just had a new 1 fitted to his td5. the garage is going to fit his chassis to another once repaired.
     
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  6. skotl

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    Good point - yes; pretty much repaired / replaced as-was
     
  7. Justme

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    I know that is what happens but not sure its correct.

    Did you change the chassis number?
     
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    Then no issue.
     
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  11. postie jon Member

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    no . chassis no. was stamped into the front dumb irons beside the spring hangers , which is commonly the part that has to be repaired or replaced when they rot. new galv chassis come with no chassis no. . what used to happen in days gone by was you swapped no plates onto a similar vehicle and uncrewed the chassis plate from the dash with the 2 phillips screws and away you went to the testing stn for an mot .
     
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  12. armalites Member

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    Yes I fully understand that but the point I'm making is for Historic Vehicle qualification there is a requirement for the vehicle to not have substantial change and replacing a chassis with a new like for like doesn't count as a substantial change so replacing a chassis would not mean Q plate. Q plate vehicles can't have Historic Status.

    What you can't do is use a secondhand chassis from another vehicle, obviously this opens a can of worms in the fact because you could use an unmarked galv chassis from a failed project and nobody would be any the wiser.

    Chassis replacement is very common on old Land Rovers and what people tend to do is stamp the chassis number. Chassis swaps are so common and there are several companies whose sole business is making chassis so if every one of those vehicles had to have a Q plate there would have been uproar by now.
     
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    Also quite possible over many years that something like a landrover which is completely bolted/riveted together has very few of the original components left. Its called progressive change according to a DVLA chap and perfectly acceptable.

    Bob
     
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  14. Justme

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    Often things happen for years with apparently no problems.
    Then suddenly officialdom realise the issue & its poop > fan time.

    I was browsing a Landy forum when I spotted the issue re chassis & registrations.
    They (the re builders) knew about it but unless you inform the DVLA they wont know its been done.
    How much of a car has to be there for it still to be the original car?
    On a monocoque its basically the body shell as it has the numbers on it.
    Not a big jump to see that on a car like a landy its the frame as that also has the numbers.
     
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  16. Matchless

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    If you were to convert a car or trailer to make a new trailer, then yes it would also require an IVA prior to it being used on the road.
    If you were to take an existing trailer and simply mount a new body to it, then no it would not require an IVA prior to it being used on the road.

    he would NOT be making a new trailer, just repairing it a bit wider, not even as far as mounting a new body, so NO IVA required.



    Customer Service Centre,
    DVSA,
    Ellipse,
    Padley Road,
    Swansea,
    SA1 8AN.

    Good afternoon Richard,

    Thank you for your enquiry regarding this matter which has now been passed to me, as the Technical Officer advising on M1, N1 & O1 Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) matters.

    If you were to make a new trailer, then yes it would require Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) prior to it being used on the road.
    If you were to convert a car or trailer to make a new trailer, then yes it would also require an IVA prior to it being used on the road.
    If you were to take an existing trailer and simply mount a new body to it, then no it would not require an IVA prior to it being used on the road.
    This is covered in paragraph 5 (Scope of the Regulations) of Part 1 of the Road Vehicles (Approval) Regulations 2009.
    I have attached further information regarding the IVA scheme, which I hope will be useful and can be found by following the links below:
    VEHICLE TYPE APPROVAL - https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-approval/when-you-need-vehicle-approval
    IVA - https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-approval/individual-vehicle-approval
    (Includes links to the Model Report list on the VOSA site, list of Technical Services, the IVA Guide, Test Stations and POTFs)
    IVA MANUALS - https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-approval/individual-vehicle-approval-manuals
    IVA FORMS - https://www.gov.uk/apply-vehicle-approval[/QUOTE]
     
  17. Justme

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    Why do people try to bend the rules?

    Altering the size of the trailer would require IVA.
    Structural changes require IVA.

    Replacing like for like does not.

    Making it wider is a type of conversion & needs IVA.
     
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    but mounting a new body onto an existing trailer does not require an IVA, nothing about like for like stated there! he is also not making a "new" trailer, not altering the existing chassis brakes or suspension or altering the gross weight, but making the deck wider! as for why do people try to bend the rules, and I don't think he would be bending them having read the letter, an IVA cost money, £100.00 to £300.00 if you take into account lost wages, takes a day out of your life,

    An IVA does not check the gauge of steel used, does not actually test the brakes for 01 and 02 cat. does not check for modifications, only looks for obvious ones, nothing can be dismantled, no checks for internal corrosion,

    If you take pictures of the trailer as is, some pictures of the work being done and a picture of the finished slightly wider bed, submit them and ask if you need to get it approved and if so why, I suspect they will say no,

    I have purchased an old single axle braked 9 canoe trailer with a vin, class 02, I have removed around 125kg of galvanised bolt on canoe racking and will be adding a new body, I very much doubt I will be taking it for an IVA,

    rather like taking a vehicle on SORN for an MOT, you cannot suspend the sorn for the drive to the MOT so it is illegal, or unlawful, you have a defence of going for a pre booked MOT but you would be doing something illegal and would have to provide the defence if caught by police or more likely a camera, every time I drive a sorn'd vehicle I ring the DVLA to tell them and ask that they make a note on the vehicle record, I know they don't but it makes me fell better,
     
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    driving a untaxed and unmot’d car to a prebooked mot appointment is a absolute defence, in that it does not just mitigate the offence, it means no offence has been committed.
     
  20. Matchless

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    yes but the camera does not know that, you get reported to DVLA and may have to prove the defence, especially if the car fails or breaks down on the way etc.
     
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