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the artfull-codger
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It just looks like a horizontal with a vertical head attatchment to me,a true ''universal'' is not a horizontal with a vertical head, it has a swivelling table as well as the X Y axis for cutting helical gears.Thats a "universal" mill, see the long section slid back on top? that slides forward and that arbour at the end bolts on the front and supports a horizontal arbour. 2 for the price of 1, and you can do a few jobs easier on a horizontal (gear cutting, mass slab milling, hollowing out crankcases etc).
I have no quill on my universal and Ive got on fine without it for years, I use drills in a jacobs chuck arbour, and the only difficulty Ive had is breaking taps power tapping when I bumped the knee control too hard as downfeed, but now I have a bristol tapping head which lets the tap float up and down once its started.
The only other thing that is awkward is you can tilt a quill head and feed at a angle, but you have to use a sine table to hold the workpiece tilted instead to do the same job on a non quill feed equipped head.
Heres my arno, it has bt40 taper head and horizontal arbour, pumped oiling system for all the leadscrews and slides, suds with integral tank etc. Ill be tossing up later between putting the horizontal arbor setup on to make some vee blocks or using the shaper instead
If your picking up that mill, can I come and liberate the press?
Shox Dr
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You're welcome to come have a look at my set up if you like
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i'd love a shaper , i'd buy this one like a light if i could afford to have it sent over here.
http://www.findurstuff.com/elliott-10-m-shaper-1251-p.asp
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That would be great pal , I'm home now for a while too
I'll PM you tonight
Wedg1e
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It's lever feed only so missing a lot more than that. Power feed gearbox, Cardan shaft, drip tray...
Also, that's a Series 1 universal miller's head that's been adapted to the 1ES's top ram; the proper vertical head for the 1ES is like the one on that green miller up there ^^^
Not a bad thing if it's been well executed; the top ram needs to be machined flat and square across one end face and an adapter plate made. Ends up being seriously bulky if you then want to use it as a horizontal...
I (and Brightspark!) use a Bridgeport, but the 1ES, not the big one.
The 1ES is primarily a horizontal mill but can be fitted with a vertical head to give added versatility... if I can ever find one- had my 1ES for almost ten years and I can count on the thumbs of one foot how many vertical heads I've seen for sale, so if you go for a 1ES, well don't unless it has the vertical head with it
Like this one on ebay at the moment?
Item 251220419653
Nothing to do with me by the way, just though it might be helpful
MM
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Like this one on ebay at the moment?
Item 251220419653
Nothing to do with me by the way, just though it might be helpful
MM
Bit spendy compared to what I paid for mine (albeit a few years ago) but completely sensible against the other one that's listed... for £3900!
I have been offered that aew viceroy with vice,collets and some tooling for a grand , why is it there are no cheap ones when im looking
Its a true universal. Its hard to see but the x axis swivels on the y axis if you undo four lock bolts clamping the table to the rotating platter underneath.
I've never actually used that facility though yet so not sure i'd miss it to worry about the distinction...
Shapers are fun, but I think I'd choose a vertical mill over one.
Theres a old saying "you can make anything with a shaper but money"
But hey, depends on which turns up first...
This followed me home a few years back, if anyone knows what make it is, I'm still in the dark. Its probably some obscure french brand though. :-
Its gone that funny shade of green again...
I seriously use my mill a LOT more, but I do really like to see it rattling away working with the olde world clacking from the belt drive staples etc.
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In the college where i done my block release one of the instructors was a toolmaker who had spent a lot of his working life in america working in the aero-industry. He absolutely hated shapers with a passion , reckoned they were the biggest pita ever, and the advent of the vertical milling machine, especially the cnc milling machines to be the best thing that had happened in the engineering industry in his lifetime.
Something like this
Well iv been and bought this one
, no play on the table and no marks , there is a couple of accidents on the vice though
, needs a good clean and it should be good to goWell iv been and bought this one
Cool, and probably more useable with a bit of previous as it saves you feeling guilty when you make one too. And can get on with making stuff on it instead of worrying about what if I damage the vice a bit
If you are moving it yourself, drain down the coolant, and drop the knee as low as it goes and lock the table for moving. I'd also take the overarm and probably the J head off to reduce weight...
Cool, and probably more useable with a bit of previous as it saves you feeling guilty when you make one too. And can get on with making stuff on it instead of worrying about what if I damage the vice a bit
If you are moving it yourself, drain down the coolant, and drop the knee as low as it goes and lock the table for moving. I'd also take the overarm and probably the J head off to reduce weight...
Fortunatly its coming on a pallet , that way i can get them to move it with a pallet truck , then lift it off that with a block and tackle .
I had a look around the wharehouse , its like alladins bloody cave , there was 5 harrison m300 gap bed lathes
, and some 4 jaw chucks that must have been 4 to 5 ft , 