You are correct.
It was never meant to be the plated weights that mattered but the police did prosecute a few before VOSA clarified what the act was supposed to say.
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You are correct.
It was never meant to be the plated weights that mattered but the police did prosecute a few before VOSA clarified what the act was supposed to say.
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There ya go Robot...
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As told to me by victims of this it was VOSA who prosecuted under their previous overzealous interpretation of the regulations, after roadside checks.
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I've not read the links and perhaps something has been cleared up that I'm not aware of, if so I'm sorry.
It certainly used to be written that the weights were the Maximum Authorised Mass, not what the thing weighed while being towed.
This meant that if you had say a plant trailer, horsebox etc that had a MAM of say 3t when fully laden then it was counted as being 3t as per the plate so often couldn't be towed, if though when empty it's maybe only a ton. But because it could weigh more the way it was worded made it a no...
It certainly used to be written that the weights were the Maximum Authorised Mass, not what the thing weighed while being towed.
This meant that if you had say a plant trailer, horsebox etc that had a MAM of say 3t when fully laden then it was counted as being 3t as per the plate so often couldn't be towed, if though when empty it's maybe only a ton. But because it could weigh more the way it was worded made it a no...
That used to be the interpretation that was used. Lots of people go done by the police & VOSA
for a few years. When it was re interpretated I am not sure if they back dated it & removed all the points / fines or it was just tough.Towing is now a balance of multiple date specific licencing & C&U regulations & manufacturers guidelines.
Often they dont agree.
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Which means then that's it's probably best to just take the test and then you KNOW what's what!
Stupid system.
Stupid system.
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Well done.
That used to be the interpretation that was used. Lots of people go done by the police & VOSA
Towing is now a balance of multiple date specific licencing & C&U regulations & manufacturers guidelines.
Often they dont agree.
Does that mean, then, that I could legally tow a race car trailer with a car with the following combo:
Car of roughly 1700kg kerb weight (leaves 1800 kg to 3500 kg)
Race car ~1200kg
ANY trailer weighing 500 kg or less (e.g. the Ifor Williams trailers here: http://www.iwt.co.uk/products/car-transporter/ct115-and-ct136?tab=spec)
I only have the B license, so looks a bit marginal still
Only IF the tow car makers allow you to tow 1800kg (I doubt many will do with only 1700kg kerb weight) & the kerb weight is the real weight the car will weigh when towing inc all fuel driver load & passengers. Not just the makers kerb weight which will only have a driver & a partial tank of gas & no loads or passengers.
You need to weigh the race car & all the bits you will take & then weigh the tow car fully loaded as it would be on the day.
I would want to try to stick to the 85% guidance on trailer to tow car weights unless its a confirmed tow car that can handle more safely.
With the race car at 1200kg you are going to struggle to find a trailer / car combo that works.
Take your B+E test.
The hard bit is the basic driving standard as its likely that your standards have slipped since passing the L test.
You need to weigh the race car & all the bits you will take & then weigh the tow car fully loaded as it would be on the day.
I would want to try to stick to the 85% guidance on trailer to tow car weights unless its a confirmed tow car that can handle more safely.
With the race car at 1200kg you are going to struggle to find a trailer / car combo that works.
Take your B+E test.
The hard bit is the basic driving standard as its likely that your standards have slipped since passing the L test.
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Rear this thread on PH; http://www.pistonheads.com/gAssing/...B+and+B+E+licence+rules+explained+&mid=406991
ROG actually teaches this kind of stuff so knows what he's on about with regards to towing, weight limits and such like...
ROG actually teaches this kind of stuff so knows what he's on about with regards to towing, weight limits and such like...
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LEGAL UPDATE FOR THOSE TOWING ON A B ONLY LICENCE
From 19/01/2013 the kerb weight rule is revoked
That was the rule which stated that the trailer plated MAM could not exceed the kerb or unladen weight of the towing vehicle
This just leaves the 3500 kgs max MAM rule which is that the vehicle GVW added to the trailer MAM must not exceed 3500 kgs
It still leaves the up to 3500kg cat B vehicle & a 750kg trailer with a GTW of up to 4250kg.
You also still have to follow the C&U regs re the makers plated weights so in reality you are unlikely to find many cat B vehicles that this will affect.
You also still have to follow the C&U regs re the makers plated weights so in reality you are unlikely to find many cat B vehicles that this will affect.
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Yes, BUT, the trailer would need to have a plated MAM of 1900kg, or it would be over the magical 3500kg.
You can have trailers down rated/plated by the manufacturers.
You can have trailers down rated/plated by the manufacturers.
